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hello, new member here- and a modern day parable
believerx:
hi there,
i just joined, this forum. i really dont know what to say about myself. i've been reading the bible for 35 years and studying the scriptures from the original languages ( using wigram and other english friendly tools)for over 20 years, and have yet to meet anyone that i can say views them in the same way. i thought even a cultic person could at least find a few people to agree with them. :o
anyway would like to be a positive addition if that is possible.
if not i will move on.
i wrote this parable a month ago and it got me either booted or ostracized from over 10 christian yahoo groups after some rather contentious exchanges.
people just got enraged at the implications presented. never even posted chapter 2 because of the controversy.
maybe someone here will get something of value from it.
peace
kevin
A Parable
Once upon a time there were some scribes of the house of Ameedous, that were given the task of copying and translating 66 scrolls of their Master. But these scribes were evil and loved the approval of men, and they weren’t content with their Master’s generous wages. So they devised a plan , treacherous and wicked in nature. “ Come, let us discredit our Master by not faithfully copying His scrolls. Then our Master will be ruined and we can have what is His before men and they will pay us better wages and love us!
So they searched the land , looking for something to help them carry out their plan. They happened upon a merchant whose name was Saldenavit. He listened as they related their story and told them he had the perfect device to help them succeed without their Master ever knowing, “ this is a magic pen that will corrupt and destroy the meaning of your Master’s words.” THE SCRIBES WERE INCREDULOUS!
“How can that be? “ they asked .
“When ever you use it the pen will do different thing to help you complete your desired results, not just a few but an even ten!” Saldenavit exclaimed.
“Such as?” the scribe wondered aloud.
“Well, for starters-every so often the pen will insert an additional word into the text to completely pervert the meaning. This is it’s most valuable asset.”
“ so what, we can do that ourselves, this doesn’t sound as impressive as you claim,” they quipped.
“ah, but the pen has it’s own mind that will pick the most damaging place to insert just one single word that will throw all of your masters servants into slavery , so that He will have no workers” Sadenavit asserted. “everything else you get is just a bonus, here is a list of all of the pens wondrous features.”
He handed them the List:
1. Add words
2. omit words
3. change words from different copies
4. mistranslate words
5. Under-translate words
6.Translate a single word into many different words all throughout the scrolls.
7.Translate many different words into a single word all throughout the scrolls.
8. Magically go through 3 language translations. ( This feature can only be guaranteed through the first 39 of the 66 scrolls of the most popular copy).
9. But, when you get to that 40th scroll, there will be an invisible division so the continuity of the whole 66 scrolls, will be lost!
The scribes were puzzled, “ we see only 9 features here and you said 10?”
Saldenavit remarked apologetically,” My bad , I meant only 9.”
So the scribes asked “ Ok, what are the damages?”
“A mere 10,000 talents.”
“10,000 TALENTS! That seems inordinately steep for just a pen!”
But old Sal was unfazed ” a talent for each one of your master’s words. remember what you stand to gain, your master owns lands, cattle , sheep, gold ,silver, jewels, men , and all the wealth of the world! Take it or leave it.”
The scribes reasoned with each other, for a moment, only a moment, because their lust and greed blinded their reason. They gave no thought of their masters armies, who loved Him and would be faithful to their master even without pay because they loved Him. You see, He rescued them from an evil tyrant that treated them shamefully and hated them even though they were always good soldiers.
So they agreed on the price and said “we’ll take it”
As Saldenavit waved goodbye, he could only smile. Because what the evil scribes were unaware of was that Saldenavit also bore a grudge against their master. He thought to himself with smug satisfaction” man will they be surprised when that 10th feature kicks in and that 40th scroll starts.”
You see Sal knew if he had told them about the 10th feature the scribes would not understand how damaging it would prove to be
Because Saldenavit was the craftiest liar that had ever lived!
To be continued…… what could the 10th feature possibly be?….
Next the scribes begin their work
Believer X AKA Kevin
Fester:
Once upon a time .... never mind.
Beloved:
Too obvious Kevin
Jesus and his disciples were walking around one day, when Jesus said, "The
Kingdom of Heaven is like 3x squared plus 8x minus 9." The disciples
looked very puzzled, and finally asked Peter, "What on earth does Jesus
mean - the Kingdom of Heaven is like 3x squared plus 8x minus 9? Peter
said, "Don't worry. It's just another one of his parabolas." 8)
The 1oth feature is that the words would be written in parables, leading those who read understand the literal and not the spiritual.
Mat 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
Kevin if you read the rules of this forum ...you have to watch your jots and tittles here too. ;)
beloved
James:
I find it interesting (and I'm guessing here) don't see you heading into tossing out scripture, but rather challenging blindly accepting traditional interpretations and encouraging seeking and digging for God's Truths...including as accurate of translations as we can find, as well as spirit revealed interpretation. Is that right? At least I hope that's where you're headed.
Are you going to continue your parable as being respectful of accurately translated, rightly divided scripture as being God's words? I'll watch for Part II.
believerx:
wow :(
didnt even get a hello.
beloved,
too obvious?
really?
perhaps then you would care to scripturally interpret this line:
“ah, but the pen has it’s own mind that will pick the most damaging place to insert
just
one
single
word
that will throw all of your masters servants into slavery , so that He will have no workers”
How about this one?
But, when you get to that 40th scroll, there will be an invisible division so the continuity of the whole 66 scrolls, will be lost!
since you have confidently asserted the following wrong assumption,
The 1oth feature is that the words would be written in parables, leading those who read understand the literal and not the spiritual,
i would recommend you call the omniscience repairman to get your all-knowing ability serviced- it seems to be running a tad slow ;)- since God's intention was that the scriptures to be written in mystery format- a lying pen would undermine and not affirm that.
you are not even in the ballpark- and like most of the things i write- i have not learned from men.
since, according to the rules, i will not be allowed to teach you the meaning, or reprove ( insult) you, which nullifies correcting or training in righteousness being accomplished, i wil leave you with a blessing.
Peace
kevin
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