> Introductions, Announcements, and More of Ray's Teachings
hello, new member here- and a modern day parable
Samson:
Good Morning Kevin,
Welcome to the Forum, I hope your journey here is a pleasant one, there is no reason why it shouldn't be. I can't speak for everyone, but this is a place for warm fellowship and for upbuilding conversation. Insofar as rejection is concerned, welcome to the club, many have experienced such rejection. As a former JW for twenty years, I have exceeded the maximum regarding rejection and the extreme legalism experienced in my former Denomination.
We have an interesting variety of personalities belonging to this Forum and occasionally we bump heads, but overall there at least seems to be a mutual respect and Love(Agapeo) towards one another. Of course with imperfect Carnal Human Beings(at least to some degree), that we all are, there won't be perfect harmony of thought and agreement, but it's the best I've experienced thus far.
Glad you have joined us and looking forward to your Posts and Comments in the days ahead.
Kind Regards, Samson.
iris:
--- Quote from: believerx on October 07, 2008, 03:30:03 AM ---well bob,
you should know i wil say what i say. you are correct i do not have a familiarity with anyone here. i have no formal theological education- no letters, no one to vouch for me. barely graduted high school.
i dont relate to people at all really- there is only one person that i can even have a conversation with, my grown son, everyone else has literally forsaken me - and he hadnt spoken to me for over 2 years and he lives 1000 miles away. i havent seen him or my other son in over 3 years, all because of the evil circumcision that upset( tore apart) my whole family. tit 1:10-11 nasb -and i am as angry as God is about it. so if that is what bleeds into what i write....
so i come here and the only thing i can do i say what i say, looking for some commonality between people that say God will save all, which is rare, but in my reading of scripture not really a qualification for elect status. doesnt mean i dont deeply care for people, i do. i read the heart wrenching stories and i am sorrowful, i have suffered immeasurable loss in my own eyes, and even in a worldly material sense( i have almost nothing - everything has been taken- i am not exaggerating, i do not deserve this, but i am also hard presssed to do what i do. i am the son that did not want to work in the vineyard but ended up doing it anyway. i have no real sensual disire to do this- it doesnot mend my broken heart.
i have been hurt and rejected by the very ones that promised me their earthly love so much that anything a million strangers could say to me online would hurt about as much as a mosquito bite. i said initially i would move on.
there is a quote from a silly movie poster that sums up my outlook on all this-
Napoleon Dynamite-"he's out to prove he has nothing to prove"
and niether do i. but woe unto me if i do not preach the gospel.
if i have to go thru some preliminary probation before i say what comes to mind, then i probably will not say anything at all. i have volumes of things i do not share- because God restrains me.
i appreciate your comments - but there has not been a soul that has really helped me in way that i would have wanted, for a long time.
thanx tho.
peace
kevin
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Hi Kevin,
Welcome to the forum!!
I feel sad after reading your post and I'm wondering what kind of help you need ?
Iris
Craig:
--- Quote ---but woe unto me if i do not preach the gospel.
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Are you comparing yourself to the Apostle Paul? Paul was called to preach, but not all are. Are you? Great if you are, but if you are not then why put that burden on yourself? I am not called to preach and there is no "woe unto me". If I tried to preach and I was not called by God, I would fail.
I appreciate your trials, I really do. Bob made a some good comments that you should take time to self reflect on. Preaching in such cryptic manner is not nourishing the body of Christ. Christ spoke in parable because the masses were not ready or capable to understand His words, the Comforter had not come upon anyone at that time. Perhaps we are not able to understand Christs words either, but you are not Christ.
Why not start over? Introduce yourself, you say you believe God will save all, so do we, so there is some common ground. Have you read the teachings on www.bible-truths.com? If not take a timeout to read and study them, you may find there is much more common ground. Our purpose is to discuss the teachings we have learned from bible-truths. Other teaching/teachers, though possibly correct, is not welcomed here because of the wealth of information provided by Ray Smith should keep us plenty busy and other teachings cloud these discussions and lead to endless debate. We strive to cultivate a common ground on the forum.
Welcome
Craig
Daddysgirl:
Hi all
I have found this particular thread very interesting.
2 Questions:
1. How are we to know if what BelievErx is introducing/teaching is not contrary to what Ray has been teaching if we do not give him a chance?
2. Have we come to another place where one man is esteemed higher than Christ or even the Scriptures? Does it mean that God cannot reveal anymore than He already has via Ray Smith?
I really need these questions answered and i hope they have been presented humbly enough to warrant an honest answer. My life depends on it... and yes i have read the forum rules... just maybe i have missed something.
Thanks
Matty
mharrell08:
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--- Quote from: Daddysgirl on October 08, 2008, 07:32:06 AM ---Hi all
I have found this particular thread very interesting.
2 Questions:
1. How are we to know if what BelievErx is introducing/teaching is not contrary to what Ray has been teaching if we do not give him a chance?
2. Have we come to another place where one man is esteemed higher than Christ or even the Scriptures? Does it mean that God cannot reveal anymore than He already has via Ray Smith?
I really need these questions answered and i hope they have been presented humbly enough to warrant an honest answer. My life depends on it... and yes i have read the forum rules... just maybe i have missed something.
Thanks
Matty
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Hello Matty,
(1) If Kevin would like to introduce/teach anything, the forum is not the place for it. Think how much harder the moderator's jobs would be having to go through everyone who attempted to teach to see if it was contrary or in agreement with Ray. The internet is a big place...I'm sure there's room for Kevin if he would like.
(2a) This forum's purpose is not to esteem Ray higher than any man in anyplace. Why would you even suggest Ray is being esteemed higher than Christ (who IS the scriptures)? All of Ray's teachings are based off scriptures; where has he ever introduced a teaching that wasn't based off scripture?
(2b) The moderators speaking to Kevin does not mean God 'cannot' reveal anymore than He already has via Ray. All things are possible with God and if He wants to use Kevin, He'll provide the means to do so as He has with Ray.
Also, Christ does not change. He is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. All the parables that Christ gave while in his earthly ministry were about the same thing (Many are called, Few are chosen). IF this 'modern day parable' is of God, it would be of the same. That's all I have to say about that.
Thanks ,
Marques
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