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I Corinthians 15:40
chrissiela:
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seems so I keep getting some kind of "debugging" error... :lol:
Chrissie
rocky:
Thank you all for the great insight, especially re: eternal (aionios) life we can have now.
But I still don't see, maybe i'm not supposed to, how those who go to the grave physically without aionios life, how they can be resurrected to a state of death (carnal) to then undergo judgment when in I Corinthians 15 we are told that we are resurrected to life (zoopio sp??). Carnal minded is death, not life.
Is not the carnal mind at work only in the soilish person. flesh plus breath (spirit)= living creature (a thinking soul=carnal, death)?
chrissiela:
--- Quote from: rocky ---Thank you all for the great insight, especially re: eternal (aionios) life we can have now.
But I still don't see, maybe i'm not supposed to, how those who go to the grave physically without aionios life, how they can be resurrected to a state of death (carnal) to then undergo judgment when in I Corinthians 15 we are told that we are resurrected to life (zoopio sp??). Carnal minded is death, not life.
Is not the carnal mind at work only in the soilish person. flesh plus breath (spirit)= living creature (a thinking soul=carnal, death)?
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Rocky,
I don't know that I would say that anyone is resurrected to a 'state of death'. That's sort of an oxymoron isn't it? :lol:
We are all dead UNTIL we are given life.
Judgment begins at the house of God, right?
1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?[/list:u]
Are those who receive 'life' through Christ NOW brought into a 'state of death'? No, they are given LIFE and in the process they are JUDGED. It's not an instantaneous thing, though, is it ?
We don't suddenly jump straight from death to 'perfection' in Him. We become children of God... and as SONS we must mature into 'men' until we reach the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ.
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:[/list:u]
And isn't the Lord the SAME yesterday and today and forever?
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.[/list:u]
What will the 'end' be for those who obey NOT the gospel of God? Won't they reach the SAME 'end'... Christ?
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.[/list:u]
Those who receive life through the Holy Spirit now are in the presence of the Lord... no longer walking 'in the flesh', but 'in the spirit'. Those who are resurrected LATER are resurrected INTO the presence of the Lamb and they will be judged just as we are, growing in the knowledge and love OF HIM... unto perfection.
Does that make sense?
Chrissie
rocky:
--- Quote from: chrissiela ---
--- Quote from: rocky ---Thank you all for the great insight, especially re: eternal (aionios) life we can have now.
But I still don't see, maybe i'm not supposed to, how those who go to the grave physically without aionios life, how they can be resurrected to a state of death (carnal) to then undergo judgment when in I Corinthians 15 we are told that we are resurrected to life (zoopio sp??). Carnal minded is death, not life.
Is not the carnal mind at work only in the soilish person. flesh plus breath (spirit)= living creature (a thinking soul=carnal, death)?
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Rocky,
I don't know that I would say that anyone is resurrected to a 'state of death'. That's sort of an oxymoron isn't it? :lol:
We are all dead UNTIL we a given life.
Judgment begins at the house of God, right?
1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?[/list:u]
Are those who receive 'life' through Christ NOW brought into a 'state of death'? No, they are given LIFE and in the process they are JUDGED. It's not an instantaneous things, though, is it ?
We don't suddenly jump straight from death to 'perfection' in Him.
And isn't the Lord the SAME yesterday and today and forever?
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
What will the 'end' be for those who obey NOT the gospel of God? Won't they reach the SAME 'end'... Christ?
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Those who receive life through the Holy Spirit now are in the presence of the Lord... no longer walking 'in the flesh', but 'in the spirit'. Those who are resurrected LATER are resurrected INTO the presence of the Lamb and they will be judged just as we are, growing in the knowledge and love OF HIM... unto perfection.
Does that make sense?
Chrissie
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sort of, but here is my struggle. The lake of fire is to burn out everything carnal. Carnal=death. If LOF is after physical death, and we are resurrected to judgment, to burn out death (carnal thinking), we have to be resurrected with that death??? How can there be carnal thots to burn out, if we are not carnal/death, but alive??
chrissiela:
Do we have to be resurrected WITH that death... or just the KNOWLEDGE of it? Being made AWARE of the fact that we WERE dead?
Chrissie
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