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Kat:

Hi Anthony.

There is a lot to be considered, first off the Earth's carrying capacity can vary.  Much of the earth's surface is not habitable.  About 70.8% of the surface is covered by water, the remaining 29.2% not covered by water consists of desert (14%), high mountains (27%), plains, plateaus, and other less suitable terrain.

Currently the total arable land is 13.31% of the land surface, with only 4.71% supporting permanent crops.  Close to 40% of the Earth's land surface is presently used for cropland and pasture, or an estimated 1.3% of cropland and 3.4% of pastureland.

Think about how we have horribly abused natural resources at all levels politically, socially, and economically. 
-Nearly half the earth's land mass already has been changed by human activity - wetlands filled in, forests cut down, prairies plowed under.

-Runoff from farms, industries, and urban areas has resulted in some 50 "dead zones" in coastal waters, including one in the Gulf of Mexico.

-Desertification is the conversion of productive rangeland or cropland into desertlike land. It is usually caused by a combination of overgrazing, soil erosion, prolonged drought and climate change.

You can not compare what this Earth is capable of substaining by how the human race is and has managing natural resources and what it has been reduced to today. 

Mat 19:26  But Jesus looked at them and said to them, "With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."

Isa 35:1 The wilderness and the wasteland shall be glad for them,
       And the desert shall rejoice and blossom as the rose;

Isa 65:17  "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth;
       And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.
Isa 65:21  They shall build houses and inhabit them;
       They shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
Isa 65:25  The wolf and the lamb shall feed together,
       The lion shall eat straw like the ox,
       And dust shall be the serpent's food.
       They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain,"
       Says the LORD.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

tinknocker:
I read somewhere that a mathematician did a calculation where he estimated the total population that had ever lived on the earth. He then stated that every person who evered lived if were all put in Texas standing up each one would have a 10' x 10' area. I don't know if that's true or not, but they brag that Texas is big?

tinknocker

hillsbororiver:

--- Quote from: tinknocker on October 05, 2008, 11:43:11 PM ---I read somewhere that a mathematician did a calculation where he estimated the total population that had ever lived on the earth. He then stated that every person who evered lived if were all put in Texas standing up each one would have a 10' x 10' area. I don't know if that's true or not, but they brag that Texas is big?

tinknocker

--- End quote ---

Hi tinknocker,

Your post reminded me of something I read a while back....

According to *Walter Williams the entire population of the world could be distributed within western USA and would still be less densely populated than a place such as Hong Kong.


Population Control Nonsense

Multi-billionaire, Ted Turner, Jane Fonda's husband, told last week's 27th annual meeting of the National Family Planning and Reproductive Health Association (NEPRHA), "We have to defeat those congressmen and senators who are standing in the way of progress. We've got to win the next election." Ted Turner, founder of CNN and vice chairman of Time-Warner, Inc., was sounding the alarm that something must be done about overpopulation. This father of five said we could achieve the "ideal" world population of two billion people, as opposed to today's six billion, "if everybody adopted a one-child policy for 100 years." How did Mr. Turner arrive at the ideal population? He learned it from his mentor Professor Paul Erlich, author of the 1968 best-seller, "The Population Bomb." In that book, Erlich predicted major food shortages in the U.S. and by "the 1970s. . . hundreds of millions of people are going to starve to death." Erlich forecasted the starvation of 65 million Americans between 1980 and 1989, and by 1999 the U.S. population would have declined to 22.6 million. Professor Erlich saw England in more desperate situation, saying, "If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000."

Idiots like Erlich and organizations such as Planned Parenthood, the State Department's Agency for International Development (AID) and NEPRHA constantly sound nonsense warnings about how overpopulation produces disaster and poverty. There is absolutely no relationship between high populations, disaster and poverty. Population control idiots might consider Zaire's meager population density of 39 people per square mile to be ideal while Hong Kong's population density of 247,501 people per square mile is problematic. Hong Kong is 6,000 times more crowded than Zaire. Yet Hong Kong's per capita income is $8,260 while Zaire, the world's poorest country, has a per capital income of less than $200.

Planet Earth is loaded with room. We could put the world's entire population into the United States. Doing so would make our population density 1,531 people per square mile. That's a far lower population density than what now exists in New York (11,440), Los Angeles (9,126) and Houston (7,512). The entire U.S. population could move to Texas and each family of four would enjoy 2.9 acres of land. If the entire world's population moved to Texas, California, Colorado and Alaska, each family of four would enjoy nine-tenths of an acre of land.

So-called overpopulation problems are really a result of socialistic government practices that reduce the capacity of people to educate, clothe, house and feed themselves. Poor countries are rife with agricultural restrictions controls, export and import controls, restrictive licensing, price controls, not to mention gross human rights abuses that encourage their most productive people to emigrate. The most promising anti-poverty tool for poor people and poor countries is personal liberty.

But let's get back to the population control gang and ask: suppose the rest of us don't feel like adopting a one-child policy, then what? The elite's answer will be to use brute government force, like China does, to impose a one-child policy. You say, "Williams, what would make you say that? Just ask who are the heroes of America's liberals, including Ted Turner's wife, Jane Fonda? They are some of history's most despicable blood thirsty tyrants like Mao Zedong, Lenin, Stalin and Castro. Don't forget that it was the 1960s campus liberals who marched around singing the praises of Mao, Lenin and Ho Chi Min. The difference between now and then is that many of these liberals have moved up to become congressmen, senators, presidents, college professors and government workers.

Walter E. Williams

C9-99

February 19, 1999


*Born in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Dr. Walter E. Williams holds a B.A. in economics from California State University, Los Angeles, and M.A. and Ph.D. degrees in economics from UCLA. He also holds a Doctor of Humane Letters from Virginia Union University and Grove City College, Doctor of Laws from Washington and Jefferson College and Doctor Honoris Causa en Ciencias Sociales from Universidad Francisco Marroquin, in Guatemala, where he is also Professor Honorario.

Dr. Williams has served on the faculty of George Mason University in Fairfax, Virginia, as John M. Olin Distinguished Professor of Economics, since 1980; from 1995 to 2001, he served as department chairman. He has also served on the faculties of Los Angeles City College, California State University Los Angeles, and Temple University in Philadelphia, and Grove City College, Grove City, Pa.

Dr. Williams is the author of over 150 publications which have appeared in scholarly journals such as Economic Inquiry, American Economic Review, Georgia Law Review, Journal of Labor Economics, Social Science Quarterly, and Cornell Journal of Law and Public Policy and popular publications such as Newsweek, Ideas on Liberty, National Review, Reader's Digest, Cato Journal, and Policy Review. He has authored six books: America: A Minority Viewpoint, The State Against Blacks, which was later made into the PBS documentary "Good Intentions," All It Takes Is Guts, South Africa's War Against Capitalism, which was later revised for South African publication, Do the Right Thing: The People's Economist Speaks, and More Liberty Means Less Government.

He has made scores of radio and television appearances which include "Nightline," "Firing Line," "Face the Nation," Milton Friedman's "Free To Choose," "Crossfire," "MacNeil/Lehrer," "Wall Street Week" and was a regular commentator for "Nightly Business Report." He is also occasional substitute host for the "Rush Limbaugh" show. In addition Dr. Williams writes a nationally syndicated weekly column that is carried by approximately 140 newspapers and several web sites.

Dr. Williams serves on several boards of directors: Grove City College, Reason Foundation and Hoover Institution. He serves on numerous advisory boards including: Cato Institute, Landmark Legal Foundation, Institute of Economic Affairs, and Heritage Foundation.

Dr. Williams has received numerous fellowships and awards including: Foundation for Economic Education Adam Smith Award, Hoover Institution National Fellow, Ford Foundation Fellow, Valley Forge Freedoms Foundation George Washington Medal of Honor, Veterans of Foreign Wars U.S. News Media Award, Adam Smith Award, California State University Distinguished Alumnus Award, George Mason University Faculty Member of the Year, and Alpha Kappa Psi Award.

Dr. Williams has participated in numerous debates, conferences and lectures in the United States and abroad. He has frequently given expert testimony before Congressional committees on public policy issues ranging from labor policy to taxation and spending. He is a member of the Mont Pelerin Society, and the American Economic Association.
 
http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/

Peace,

Joe

 

AK4:

--- Quote from: tinknocker on October 05, 2008, 11:43:11 PM ---I read somewhere that a mathematician did a calculation where he estimated the total population that had ever lived on the earth. He then stated that every person who evered lived if were all put in Texas standing up each one would have a 10' x 10' area. I don't know if that's true or not, but they brag that Texas is big?

tinknocker

--- End quote ---

Texas is big (i guess) but i dont think its that big. :)

Kat,

Thanks for the stats.  I remember watching on of those discovery channel shows where it was basically giving a scientific way of how those verses you put can happen to the earth.---the thing is they didnt even do the show on those verses at all.  I was watching it and thinking of those verses--especially the one about the desert.

What also gets me is the polar shift they say may be long over due for the earth and what this might due.  This may cause the mountains and plateaus to become flat and habital, agricultural ground along with the desert.  They say theres so much potential for life in the lava of this planet

Anyway before i better stop rambling

Anthony

hillsbororiver:
Oh yeah I forgot to add this verse from Revelation;

Rev 21:1  And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Before I get inundated with protests that this verse is not to be taken literally let's suppose for arguments sake that this can be taken both literally and more importantly spiritually.

Since the earth's surface is 3/4 ocean it sure would open up a whole lot of area...

But how much room would spiritual beings require anyway?  ;)

Peace,

Joe   

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