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aqrinc:
Yes this is a wonder, first the physical then the Spiritual (Jesus led away to be tempted 40 days) ?.
It does seem to be harder to give in this time of need. The Lord however is our example of how to
resist the urge to concentrate on us (the beast in us) and through Faith take God's Grace and give
of All that we hold dear to those that need it.

George.

acomplishedartis:

--- Quote from: Marlene on October 15, 2008, 08:33:13 PM ---Moises and Claudia ,
    I want to share something with both of you. I was raised with quite strict morals. I met a boy we were around 20. At the time I did not know he was recovery from drug addiction. I believe now God had a plan for us to meet. I say it was love at first sight. If, it had  not been when I found out I would have been long gone. I was alreay in love. I grew close to his mother. We lived in different towns and only got to see each other on weekends. We took turns  staying at each others parents. His Mother told me that Doug that is his name
told her I was not like anyone he ever dated.  Now, this is hard to say but I want to for a point. One, night he forced me against my wishes. I was crying and all upset. He just did not get it that this meant the world to me to save myself for marriage. I stayed with him out of Love and obligation to him. I had never loved like this in my life. Latter, on his Mother told me of things he was doing to me. He began to slip up and came down to my place on drugs. I was living with a girlfriend then because we worked in another town. I showed him over and over love. But, we got into a huge fight over it. My love changed instanly. He said, "You will love me till the day you die. He use to tell me my love scared him , and I was strange. He came back a few weeks latter and told me he was sorry that he told me I was strange and scary and other things. Then a few weeks after we broke up he come down and told me he was sorry and that he hoped he could love like me some day. I am sure God wanted him to loose me now that I see the whole picture. Cause, that did not change my mind. Even, he admitted he didnt know how to love. He did not know how so he did not love me. I believe now what the bible says"Love Never Fails". I always wondered what happened with him. When he died, I found out. He became a minister. He was 51 years old. His death led me in here. He had articles online he wrote. At, the time he was Seven Day Adventist. He latter left because he has issues with doctrines in chruches. This led me to questioning my believes even more then before. He was right I will love him till I die. However, god had a plan. He gave me the man who could take my brokeness and heal it. I have been married to him for 29 years now. Again, I say "Love Never Fails" I have been blessed to have loved two  men. One seemed like it failed and the other has not. Even if it seems it fails we just might not know the ending of it all.
Love
Marlene

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hi marlene, thanks for sharing your story, your perseverance on accepting this guy reminds me of an experience i had with a girl who put my feelings on hard trials (kind of 'broke my heart') a few years ago.
I also think that it is a good example about how everything is predestined to be as how it is suppose to happen.

I added a few explanations to my last post since i think it could may cause another impression of what i was really trying to say, i am agree that agapao and phileo love never fails but what i was trying to convey was that sometimes we can also lie our selves about loving phileo when there is no truth in between.

From the sources (to explain this types of loves) that i used to make this post, it said that we can purely agapao others because we know that someday we will all be change from this weak condition and because we understand that they are part of the whole plan and etc., and that we can phileo others because if we are overcoming together and have the same hope and etc..

If this is this is an absolute, i guess then that sometimes what we tend to call love could be just an idol from our heart.
 
i wish someday i don't feel inadequate to talk about this.
moises

Marlene:
Moises, Yes, I understand what you mean. Sometimes, I do think love can be an idol just even in just wanting to be in love, thinking it is love. I also, think we can say we love others when we really don't. I know before, I came to Bible truths I thought I loved God with all my heart. I really didn't know his true character, and looked at him as someone who had it in for me. Then, when I found out his love for all humanity that Love melted me. To see his love for all and how he would die for everyone. Well, I no longer looked at him from a distance. He never looked at me that way to begin with. Although, organized church looks at it that way. But, now that I see that, I realized its easier not only for me to forgive, but to also see others in the same boat. Its hard to look at the purely evil and love them. Its his to judge. But, I see where he wants us to have compassion on the lost , also. It seems true love just automatically forgives. He loves rather or not we love him back. I guess you might say we have loved some people like that. Maybe we use to pick who to love because we like them. But, yes to give love to humanity is not an easy one.
In His Love
Marlene

Marlene:
Moises, I just wanted to add one thing. I am sure truth is always the best answer. Lies can kill they don't cause us to trust. We often lie to ourselves. That can be a hard one. Yes, sometimes we have needs , also. That unselfish love is a hard one. Especially, when we have needs. I am sure that self often gets in the way. I know it does when we are hurt. Lies do kill love. The trust is lost and that is a hard one. I can understand how anyone married and living with a liar and breaking your heart over and over can kill love. You are right we can want it to be love and we can even lie to ourselves. I think I may be trying to over work this LOL but anyways Truth is always best with others and ourselves. Love Never Fails even when we love without any love returned. Giving up self is the hard one for sure.
In His Love
Marlene

Stevernator:
Good thread Moises.

I have been dealing with some of these issues. I have shared what I've learned on BT with many who are close to me and none of them have tried to learn further. I feel bad sometimes because maybe I'm trying too hard to teach and I know that they cannot see unless God opens their eyes. I don't want to risk having a puffed up ego from learning about the scriptures.

A few days ago there were some hellfire preachers on my campus. They were a bit theatrical and had big signs. It was a big spectacle and there were lots of irritated hecklers in the crowd. So I prayed, "Ok God maybe I can talk to someone and you can plant a seed". So I stood in the back of the crowd and was watching the preachers. A Christian student introduced himself to me and we chatted and he prayed with me for people in the crowd and for me. I suppose that he believed in hell but thought that the preachers should focus more on Jesus Christ and forgiveness rather than sin and hell. I quickly realized that he was sincere and caring.

So I told him that I didn't believe in hell and started telling him what I learned on BT. I talked about fire judgement, death, resurrection, aionios, all, feast of the tabernacles and shared some scriptures. He thought about what I was saying and respectfully brought up some objections which I tried to explain. He wasn't stubborn and he didn't angrily object, but he was considerate. He cautioned me on what I read. Eventually he had to leave and said goodbye and that he was glad to meet me.

Later, I thought maybe I should focus on being more loving and reaching out to people instead of gaining scriptural knowledge and sharing it with people. Maybe I knew a bit more about what is in the Bible but he seemed to be further along in loving people. I'd appreciate prayers to help me let Christ live through me and to share the gospel in love and worship in spirit truth.

But this is difficult for me and I will need the Holy Spirit. I find it hard to connect with my loved ones. We can still enjoy each others company but it is hard to connect when we have such differences in beliefs and desires. What Moises brought up is so true that you cannot phileo someone when there is no truth. It is such a great truth that we want to share with people but it is so difficult.

Even though I am often lonely, I am rather content and excited about life. In my weakness, Jesus can strengthen me and make me stand.

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