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hillsbororiver:

--- Quote from: Marlene on October 14, 2008, 05:30:04 PM ---
vese 23 If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; If you do not forgive them they are not forgiven. "


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The reason I believe this is prophetic and relating to the perfected elect is because of verse 23. Everywhere else we are admonished to forgive others of their sins against us personally, if we don't we will not be forgiven, but here in John it is different, those with Christ in the next age will be Sons and Daughters of God with the power to forgive men their sins absolutely not only the sins committed toward themselves. The key here is "If you do not forgive them they are not forgiven."

See the difference?

Peace,

Joe

Marlene:
Thanks to all of you for your replies. Its funny how before I believed like Ray teaches that I obviously did not read the scriptures like Ray has taught. I am trying to read the Bible now and mediate and take my time. I love John so much cause you can see lots of Ray's teachings there. I like Joe's take on it cause he has three witness. I also, like Dave's. It certainly was a hard thing for me to see. I am loving learning God's way and not the ways of the world now. I am just so blessed to have like minded people who I believe understand or will try and learn with each other. I value all of you and will read any other opinions.
In His Love
Marlene

Marlene:
Joe, Oh yes, I understand that now. That position would have to be the Elect. Cause we are not qualified to do that here. We do that if we are chosen. I just knew this had to have an answer. I value all of you. Its so awesome to have a family like this. I am so happy now. I am trying to learn how to adopt that 2 or more witness thing to help me. No, way am I there yet. I haven't been at this very long. All I can say when I got that Hell burned out of my mind, I have peace in my life like I never had.
Thanks and God Bless You
Marlene

jenniferonline:
The key word from this verse is RECEIVE.  It is not translated properly in the christian bible.  THe greek word is labete (TAKE) and its verb form is imperative (A COMMAND). 

This is the only time in the translated english bible where the greek word labete is translated in an indicative form (WISHFUL not commanding) concerning the disciples "receiving" the HOLY Spirit prior to Acts 2.
They were commanded and "breathed" in the HOLY SPIRIT because there is no FREE WILL in this verse as the KING JAMES or other translations would have us believe.   

Very similar to if I throw you a football and in mid air (while it is hurling at you) I tell you to TAKE the ball.

Therefore, in the next verse "If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven (BECAUSE THE HOLY SPIRIT IS IN YOU); If you do not forgive them they are not forgiven (A contrast but the same reiteration of..BECAUSE THE HOLY SPIRIT IS IN YOU).

Jen

Marlene:
Jen, Thanks for your comment. That makes sense ,also. If we have the Holy Spirit we can do it.
In His Love
Marlene

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