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Proof beyone the Bible.
OBrenda:
Darren
Not that your post wasn't interesting, just not knowedgeable enough to give answer.
I may try puttin a pancake on my head, maybe I'll get smarter! ;D
Be Blessed,
Brenda
P.S. Where is Music Man?
Beloved:
This is an argument used by the world to plant doubt..
We can't see Gravity or the Wind but we can see their effects.
Jesus noted that particular generation needed "proof" too, even the works that He did failed to convince them. They 'knew" they were real and feared that he would take their rule away from them.
Joh 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.
He also told them this in the parable of Lazarus and the Rich man
(Luk 16:30) And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
(Luk 16:31) And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Those who need proof of Jesus ....have NOT been CALLED and spiritually apeaking are the seas the mass of unbelievers. They are not counted with the MANY CALLED . But of those many called Jesus also added
(Joh 20:29) Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
The Many called do believe in Jesus
Those are called out of babylon, however study and digest His Words Follow Him and Obey Him and like peter they would only say
(Joh 6:67) Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
(Joh 6:68) Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
It is God who opens the eyes and it is only the dog that sees the rabbit that will continue the chase...those who didn't will tire or get distracted . 8)
beloved
aqrinc:
Hi winner08,
There is certainly lots of historical evidence other than the bible to prove Jesus was here in the Flesh.
Are you aware that Adolf Hitler was actively pursuing acquisition of 1. The Robe 2. The Spear, 3. The
Chalice (cup from the last supper) as well as The Arc of The Covenant. Old Irish and English records
talk of the (First Church Building) Above Ground in in Glastonbury. Joseph of Aramethea (minister of mines)
and Mary the mother of Jesus were reputed in old english history to have lived there after being driven
from Judea. It takes a lot of research and reading to get the information but; yes it is out there in
abundance. (Google it sometime).
George.
--- Quote from: winner08 on October 15, 2008, 07:51:21 PM ---Listen I am not the smartest person in the room by far. I was speaking with some people about Jesus andone said that there's no proof that Jesus was even a real person. He said except for the bible and one or two mention from the historian Josephus there is no proof.
Is this true? I don't know. I just took it from face value that Jesus existed andthere was no need for proof beyone the Bible.
Darren
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WhoAmI:
--- Quote from: Beloved on October 17, 2008, 12:41:36 PM ---This is an argument used by the world to plant doubt..
We can't see Gravity or the Wind but we can see their effects.
Jesus noted that particular generation needed "proof" too, even the works that He did failed to convince them. They 'knew" they were real and feared that he would take their rule away from them.
Joh 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.
He also told them this in the parable of Lazarus and the Rich man
(Luk 16:30) And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
(Luk 16:31) And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Those who need proof of Jesus ....have NOT been CALLED and spiritually apeaking are the seas the mass of unbelievers. They are not counted with the MANY CALLED . But of those many called Jesus also added
(Joh 20:29) Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
The Many called do believe in Jesus
Those are called out of babylon, however study and digest His Words Follow Him and Obey Him and like peter they would only say
(Joh 6:67) Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
(Joh 6:68) Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
It is God who opens the eyes and it is only the dog that sees the rabbit that will continue the chase...those who didn't will tire or get distracted . 8)
beloved
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Very good post.
Noah, Moses etc. They didn't have the specific "proof" that many today who oppose Christ say they need also. It surely is beyond the "flesh" and "proofs."
Mt 16:17 Jesus answered and said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.
Joh 4:24 "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."
Joh 6:63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
Jeff
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