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Physical Bodies at ressurrection
fe32k:
Hi all,
s'been a while. Anyway I have a quick Question. I know Ray believes that the wicked will be raised with Physical Bodies, but after reading his article regarding this I noticed that the argument he mostly presented was that evil men like Hitler cannot be raised with a glorious, immortal, incorruptible spiritual body. Thats all fine and dandy, but then I thought about something and haven't been able to reconcile it.
What about Satan?
Does he currently have a an incorruptible spiritual body? I know we can agree it is spiritual, but is it immortal and glorious? Is satan wicked? I think we can agree on that too. I tried to think about this and make sense of it, but I keep coming to the same conclusion.
If Satan is a wicked Spiritual Being, then why can't wicked humans be raised as spiritual beings?
Any help with this is appreciated.
Fe
Deborah-Leigh:
GOD: "And the Lord God said unto the serpent ['the great dragon was cast out, that OLD SERPENT, called the Devil and Satan' Rev. 12:9], Because you have done this, YOU ARE CURSED...." (Gen. 3:14). Sounds like God is in full control of Satan.
GOD: "And the Lord said unto Satan, behold, He is in your hand, BUT SAVE HIS LIFE" (Job 2:6). Satan can do no more than God permits him to do.
JESUS: "Then said Jesus unto him, GET THEE HENCE SATAN...then Devil LEAVES HIM" (Matt. 4:10-11). Jesus had completely and total control over Satan.
BELIEVERS: "Submit yourselves therefore to God, Resist the Devil, AND HE WILL FLEE [Gk: 'run away, vanish']FROM YOU" (James 4:7).
"And the Devil that deceived them WAS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE and brimstone..." (Rev. 20:16).
God be with you,
Ray
Excerpt from http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4681.0.html
Martinez:
As far as I was aware, all were raised with the same spiritual body, only the wicked still had their carnal minds which will have to be removed in the lake of fire!
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Martinez on October 19, 2008, 03:02:50 AM ---
As far as I was aware, all were raised with the same spiritual body, only the wicked still had their carnal minds which will have to be removed in the lake of fire!
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
--- End quote ---
'Flesh and blood' shall not inherit the kingdom is not a statement just regarding physical flesh and physical blood. The wicked/non-believers as well as the 'called' shall be raised with corruptible bodies since they have yet to be spiritually converted.
Excerpt from Ray's paper regarding physical and spiritual resurrection (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,7474.0.html):
So the whole House of Israel dies in a condition of being “perished” with no “hope,” and are “cut off.” But what does God tell Ezekiel He will do for them?
I am prophesying, and lo, a rushing, and draw near do the bones, bone unto its bone."
Eze 37:8 “And I beheld, and lo, on them [are] sinews [tendons, strength, muscular power], and flesh [muscles, fat, etc.] has come up, and cover them does skin [the outer covering of a physical body] over above--and spirit there is none in them."
I know of no “spiritual” tendons, muscles, fat or skin, that are put on physical “bones” to remake a “spiritual” man. This is a PHYSICAL resurrection of the dead, Eze 37:10 “And I have prophesied as He commanded me, and the Spirit comes into them, and they live, and stand on their feet--a very very great force” (Ezek. 37:10).
Notice that it takes the spirit from God to give these dried bones life once more. They then “stand on their feet.” This is the exact and precise definition of the word “resurrection.” It means to “stand up” upon one’s feet, but the word itself has nothing to do with being “spiritual” or “immortal” whatsoever. Jesus raised a little girl and Lazarus from the dead, and they stood up on their feet and lived—they were not made spiritual bodies or given immortality. Likewise those saints resurrected at Christ’s resurrection, were not given spiritual bodies or immortality.
Nowhere are the wicked promised immortality or incorruption, nowhere. The most thorough study on the resurrection of the saints is found in I Corinthians. Let’s notice a few things that most overlook:
Is the subject of I Corinthians 15, the world? The salvation of the wicked? The resurrection of the wicked? NO. Let’s read it:
“Moreover, brethren [the world? NO, ‘brethren’] I declare unto YOU the gospel…” (I Cor. 15:1).
“…by which also YOU are saved…” (Verse 2).
“For I delivered unto YOU….” (Verse 3). Etc.
What is the “order” of the resurrection of which Paul speaks? “But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward THEY THAT ARE CHRIST’S at His coming” (Verse 23).
The resurrection taught in this chapter is that of “they that are CHRIST’S,” not the resurrection of the wicked to Judgment. Pay attention TO THE WORDS!
1Co 15:50 “Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.”
Hope this helps,
Marques
Dennis Vogel:
I touched on this subject yesterday with Ray and he pointed out that a physical body adds to their humiliation.
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