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Physical Bodies at ressurrection
AK4:
i believe it all has to do with inheriting the kingdom. According to Dan 12:2 all are raised to age-lasting something, but is that the same as inheriting the kingdom. Is it to far a stretch to say the kingdom of heaven is in the mind? Remember Jesus was in heaven while He was on earth also,
So the unjust may be raised with a spiritual body like satan, but still have a carnal mind and not be in the kingdom while the others are in the kingdom of heaven (mind) (the just) also with a spiritual bodies.
So i guess this lead to the question what is the kingdom of heaven. According to Rays teachings it has something to do with the mind.
Anthony
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: AK4 on October 20, 2008, 11:46:03 AM ---i believe it all has to do with inheriting the kingdom. According to Dan 12:2 all are raised to age-lasting something, but is that the same as inheriting the kingdom. Is it to far a stretch to say the kingdom of heaven is in the mind? Remember Jesus was in heaven while He was on earth also,
So the unjust may be raised with a spiritual body like satan, but still have a carnal mind and not be in the kingdom while the others are in the kingdom of heaven (mind) (the just) also with a spiritual bodies.
So i guess this lead to the question what is the kingdom of heaven. According to Rays teachings it has something to do with the mind.
Anthony
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Hello Anthony,
I understand your viewpoint, but what saith the scriptures?
1 Cor 15
38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood [carnal mindedness] cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption [corrupt, carnal mind will not inherit spiritual, immortal, incorruptable bodies.
It is a contradiction of scripture to state carnal minded souls inheriting spiritual, immortal bodies. I'm not trying to be harsh, but where is SCRIPTURE that states the wicked inheriting spiritual, immortal bodies BEFORE going through judgment. This is one of the many wonderful purposes for judgment. The spiritual body is representative to our spiritual minds; also remember spirit is like the wind...how can a carnal mind (physical) be in a spiritual, invisible body?
Also, please don't think I am trying to debate; I always discuss the Word directly so nothing personable to anyone reading. We are all seeking the same thing: CHRIST! ;D
Thanks,
Marques
Kat:
Hi Anthony,
Here is the Scripture you were referring to.
Dan 12:2 From those sleeping in the soil of the ground many shall awake, these to eonian life and these to reproach for eonian repulsion."
I think the key is in the Scriptrue Dennis posted from Ray.
Will the wicked then “inherit incorruption” at their resurrection? Well many say “YES, yes they will.” NO, no they WON’T! Are men like Mao Tse Tung, Adolph Hitler and Saddam Hussein, who are among the most “corruptible” men who have ever lived, going to be given bodies that are “incorruptible?” Do the Scriptures lie when they tell us that “corruption” (as in the above named persons) does NOT “inherit incorruption?”
It seems to me most use 1 Cor . 15 to imply all will be raised spirit being. But notice who Paul is speaking to.
1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I make known unto you The joyful message, which I myself announced to you, which also ye received, in which also ye stand;
Now notice that the subject is to "be made alive."
1Co 15:20 But, now, hath Christ been raised from among the dead,—a firstfruit of them who have fallen asleep;
v.21 For, since indeed, through a man, came death, through a man, also cometh the raising of the dead;
v. 22 For, just as, in the Adam, all die, so, also, in the Christ, shall all be made alive.
v. 23 But, each, in his own rank:—A firstfruit, Christ, after that, they who are the Christ’s, in his presence,
Paul goes on to elaborate more on this resurrection, as to be "raised in incorruption," "raised in glory," "raised in power," "raised a body of the spirit." This must be only talking about those in the first resurrection.
1Co 15:42 Thus, also the resurrection of the dead: it is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption,
v. 43 It is sown in dishonour, it is raised in glory, it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power,
v. 44 It is sown a body of the soul, it is raised a body of the spirit; if there is a body of the soul, there is also of the spirit:—
Isn't this the blessing talked about in Rev. 20.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
AK4:
Good posts Marquess and Kat
I see my error
Thanks,
Anthony :)
jerreye:
Hi Kat,
You say:
--- Quote ---Paul goes on to elaborate more on this resurrection, as to be "raised in incorruption," "raised in glory," "raised in power," "raised a body of the spirit." This must be only talking about those in the first resurrection.
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How do you know that this "MUST" be talking of ONLY the FIRST resurrection? It doesn't say that. It says "the resurrection of the DEAD". Since ALL will be "resurrected from the DEAD", this must be talking about the just AND the unjust, since it does not tell us which of the two resurrections he was talking about. Paul could have said the "BETTER resurrection of the dead" as he did in Phil 3:11....but he did not do that. He is making reference to THE resurrection of the dead, which according to Acts 24:15 includes both the just AND the unjust.
To be honest, I'm not 100% convinced EITHER way. I'm just trying to collect all the evidence and make a sound conclusion :)
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