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How few are the "few"?
Samson:
--- Quote from: OBrenda on October 23, 2008, 06:35:24 AM ---
--- Quote from: aqr on October 22, 2008, 11:33:38 PM ---Alex,
My remark was a bit funny i thought, JW, 144k. ;D No i do not think anyone is insinuating any such thing.
The statement i made was to reiterate my personal understanding of God's Grace and Faith we exercise
to live this now painful life. We are there if it is God's Will or not if it is not, He has Called us Already.
George.
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If there is only going to be 144,000 as the JW believe........I don't have any shot ;)
I'm ignorant of what the numbers all mean...24 Elders...2 Witnesses....I know the "Elite" but beyong that I'm clueless,,,, ???
???
Brenda
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Hello Brenda & George,
Let me explain to you to that the JW'S interpret all numbers in Revelation as Symbolic, 24 Elders, 12 Tribes, etc; EXCEPT the 144,000 anointed ones or chosen(Elect), that number they interpret to be a literal number. What the present day JW doesn't tell you is that this number(144,000) was already reached by 1935. The Organization justifies this by saying that anyone claiming to be of the Elect after 1935, are replacements of those that proved unfaithfull, like former Governing Body member, Raymond Franz and others.
All I can say to the above is that there must have been alot of replacements since 1935.
1935 was supposed to be the cut-off date and that understanding, according to them, was supposed to be from God. ::) ;D
Hope this helps, Samson.
aqrinc:
Sounds like what my younger Brother 35+ years Jw and my Mother have said many times.
They of course are very sad that i am so blinded as to not see their truths. I am so thankful
that Our God is no Respecter of persons and His Will Is That Everyone Be Saved. My Jw remarks
are somewhat derisive because (that is an Idol of my heart) to be still upset at things they said
to me which helped send me looking at other things.
(eat drink and be merry for tomorrow you shall die) unless you are a Jw.
George.
--- Quote from: Samson on October 23, 2008, 10:42:26 AM ---
--- Quote from: OBrenda on October 23, 2008, 06:35:24 AM ---
--- Quote from: aqr on October 22, 2008, 11:33:38 PM ---Alex,
My remark was a bit funny i thought, JW, 144k. ;D No i do not think anyone is insinuating any such thing.
The statement i made was to reiterate my personal understanding of God's Grace and Faith we exercise
to live this now painful life. We are there if it is God's Will or not if it is not, He has Called us Already.
George.
--- End quote ---
If there is only going to be 144,000 as the JW believe........I don't have any shot ;)
I'm ignorant of what the numbers all mean...24 Elders...2 Witnesses....I know the "Elite" but beyong that I'm clueless,,,, ???
???
Brenda
--- End quote ---
Hello Brenda & George,
Let me explain to you to that the JW'S interpret all numbers in Revelation as Symbolic, 24 Elders, 12 Tribes, etc; EXCEPT the 144,000 anointed ones or chosen(Elect), that number they interpret to be a literal number. What the present day JW doesn't tell you is that this number(144,000) was already reached by 1935. The Organization justifies this by saying that anyone claiming to be of the Elect after 1935, are replacements of those that proved unfaithfull, like former Governing Body member, Raymond Franz and others.
All I can say to the above is that there must have been alot of replacements since 1935.
1935 was supposed to be the cut-off date and that understanding, according to them, was supposed to be from God. ::) ;D
Hope this helps, Samson.
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walt123:
hello all
you know what i think ,all the pastors who collects tithes from their followers,are the ones who are
running for the elect,because they have the money to be elected. ha,ha
excuse me wrong scene, thank GOD he doesn't think like man.
walt.
OBrenda:
Thanks Marques,
Everytime I read Ray's teachings I get more out of it. :)
So I understand that all these numbers are symbols of the Elect.
What I lack still is ever being taught the meanings behind them. I suspect that people coming out of certain church backgrounds have a foundation of understanding that I'm missing. I see that 12 x 12 = 144,000
But twelve what? Is it 12 tribes X 12 apostles? is the 12 + 12 = the 24 Elders? 2 Witness Old & New Testament?
Am I getting warmer?
Thanks,
Brenda
Samson....Funny how all Babylon teachings switch from symbols to literal to suit their ideals?
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: OBrenda on October 23, 2008, 01:15:35 PM ---Thanks Marques,
Everytime I read Ray's teachings I get more out of it. :)
So I understand that all these numbers are symbols of the Elect.
What I lack still is ever being taught the meanings behind them. I suspect that people coming out of certain church backgrounds have a foundation of understanding that I'm missing. I see that 12 x 12 = 144,000
But twelve what? Is it 12 tribes X 12 apostles? is the 12 + 12 = the 24 Elders? 2 Witness Old & New Testament?
Am I getting warmer?
Thanks,
Brenda
Samson....Funny how all Babylon teachings switch from symbols to literal to suit their ideals?
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Yes, it's something like that but I want to state this for everyone:
I don't want to sound like I'm preaching/teaching, but let's not go over the top with this discussion and saying this symbol means this and so on. If one has SCRIPTURE, then yes, let's hear the spiritual understanding. If not, let's not break the forum rules as it will almost always end with strife.
No one needs to know what every symbol means in order for God to choose you and start you on your spiritual walk. It's all up to God. I just hope this stays on scripture and not any and everyone's interpetation (idol of the heart) of what each and every symbol means. Knowing all the symbols does not guarantee anyone being of the Elect and having a more personal relationship with Christ, which is what our number #1 goal is.
Alright, can someone help me off my soapbox please? It's pretty high up here... :D
Marques
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