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Growth..sin to some, grace to others.
WhoAmI:
How would you all test any spiritual growth in your walk? The reason I ask is because for many people new growth is viewed as wrong. I seen this with Jesus and the Pharisees. And many Christians call things false only because they have not moved on yet. What if someone came on here and shared a growth and because it was not revealed to us yet, we called it false. What would be a fail proof test or is it even possible, because if a person is deceived even in the slightest, it is the nature of being deceived that you know NOT that your deceived.
This scripture reminds me of this sort of happening.
Ac 10:13 And a voice came to him, "Rise, Peter; kill and eat."
Ac 10:14 But Peter said, "Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean."
Ac 10:15 And a voice spoke to him again the second time, "What God has cleansed you must not call common."
Plus we are told to be perfect as our Father. So could this be part of the continual dragging that God does to bring us to Him?
For those of us who trust God and know He does not fail and the end result will be His Will anyhow, we can rest in us being dragged to the end. But in the relative sense what would you all say is the best "test" on these matters.
Thanks in advance for responses. :)
Jeff
aqrinc:
A few Scriptures to answer your question would be best i think. :)
Test the new information against the Gospel Of Jesus Christ; That is our Real and Only Hope.
I Corinthians 2:16:
For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
II Corinthians 4:4:
In whom the god of this world has blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the
glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine to them.
Philippians 1:27:
Only let your conversation be as it becomes the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent,
I may hear of your affairs, that you stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
Philippians 4:7:
And the peace of God, which passes all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
I Peter 1:13:
Why gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought to you at the
revelation of Jesus Christ;
George.
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: WhoAmI on October 24, 2008, 01:40:59 AM ---How would you all test any spiritual growth in your walk? The reason I ask is because for many people new growth is viewed as wrong. I seen this with Jesus and the Pharisees. And many Christians call things false only because they have not moved on yet. What if someone came on here and shared a growth and because it was not revealed to us yet, we called it false. What would be a fail proof test or is it even possible, because if a person is deceived even in the slightest, it is the nature of being deceived that you know NOT that your deceived.
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2 Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
John 7:16-17 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself
Gal 1:8-9 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
Phil 1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
I concur with George...the scriptures have to be the foundation for any new growth/spiritual knowledge. Christ is the Word as well as 'that Rock' which is our foundation. Christ had a doctrine that he received from His Father; we are to follow it.
Hope this helps,
Marques
WhoAmI:
Many quote all the same scriptures in defense of their belief that they are following the Gospel of Christ. Paul is proof that knowing the scriptures doesn't amount to anything. Because the way you understand the scriptures seems to point to where you are at in your walk away from Egypt and on to the Promise Land. How many of us when we were in Babylon knew the scriptures and could quote and defend our position with the scriptures. So the idea that we base it on the scriptures does not work because with blurred eyes you make up what you want all along using the scriptures. Could the scriptures be a god and lead us astray with this mode of thought?
Jeff
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: WhoAmI on October 24, 2008, 11:42:30 AM ---Many quote all the same scriptures in defense of their belief that they are following the Gospel of Christ.
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Jeff,
Quoting scriptures compared to having spiritual discernment to understand them is like night and day. It is not the same.
--- Quote from: WhoAmI on October 24, 2008, 11:42:30 AM ---Paul is proof that knowing the scriptures doesn't amount to anything.
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I believe you mean 'Saul' right? Saul was not converted, Paul was. His conversion was a type of putting off the old man and being spiritually converted [Eph. 4:22-23]
--- Quote from: WhoAmI on October 24, 2008, 11:42:30 AM ---Because the way you understand the scriptures seems to point to where you are at in your walk away from Egypt and on to the Promise Land. How many of us when we were in Babylon knew the scriptures and could quote and defend our position with the scriptures.
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What we all thought was defense of the scriptures was exposed to be contradictions which Ray has pointed out again and again. That's the main purpose of bible-truths.com.
--- Quote from: WhoAmI on October 24, 2008, 11:42:30 AM ---So the idea that we base it on the scriptures does not work because with blurred eyes you make up what you want all along using the scriptures.
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Again:
2 Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
People make up all kinds of doctrine all over the world...but we don't need to 'make up' any doctrine as we already have one: the doctrine of Christ which was given to him by the Father [John 7:16-17]. Any spiritual growth will be in agreement with this doctrine. If it is not, it is not of God.
--- Quote from: WhoAmI on October 24, 2008, 11:42:30 AM ---Could the scriptures be a god and lead us astray with this mode of thought?
Jeff
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Jesus is called the Word of God. Jesus is not a 'god' he is GOD. When you DON'T look to Christ the Word of God you will be lead astray. Why would you even want to not rely on the very words that our Lord and Savior has spoken? I really am having a hard time understanding your point on this Jeff. It's like you're implying why do we use the scriptures for our foundation. If not the Word of God, what would we rely on? Jesus stated that He was the truth...when you have truth, why settle for anything else?
Marques
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