Create and Make (Bara and Asah)

[aqrinc]

I don't know if this should be a new thread or if it will help in any way here. Having read the Six Days of
Creation a couple of times and watched and listened a few times also, I am starting the study of important
hebrew and greek words. This is the beginning so here we go, please feel free to help and contribute.
My hope is that we will know and be able to speak of and understand the things that bind All together
by a constant quest for knowledge that Edifies our Lord Jesus Christ. (Preparation for the Day)

Source is strongs Hebrew Bible Dictionary.

1 definition of bara = to create

1 definition of asah = to do or make

01254:

1254  bara'  baw-raw'  a primitive root; (absolutely) to create; (qualified) to cut  down (a wood), select, feed (as formative processes):--  choose, create (creator), cut down, dispatch, do, make (fat).

06213:

6213  `asah  aw-saw'  a primitive root; to do or make, in the broadest sense and  widest application (as follows):--accomplish, advance,  appoint, apt, be at, become, bear, bestow, bring forth,  bruise, be busy, X certainly, have the charge of, commit, deal  (with), deck, + displease, do, (ready) dress(-ed), (put in)  execute(-ion), exercise, fashion, + feast, (fight-)ing man, +  finish, fit, fly, follow, fulfill, furnish, gather, get, go  about, govern, grant, great, + hinder, hold ((a feast)), X   indeed, + be industrious, + journey, keep, labour, maintain,  make, be meet, observe, be occupied, offer, + officer, pare,  bring (come) to pass, perform, pracise, prepare, procure,  provide, put, requite, X sacrifice, serve, set, shew, X sin,  spend, X surely, take, X thoroughly, trim, X very, + vex, be  (warr-)ior, work(-man), yield, use.

George.

00165:

165  aion  ahee-ohn'  from the same as 104; properly, an age; by extension, perpetuity (also  past); by implication, the world; specially (Jewish) a Messianic  period (present or future):--age, course, eternal, (for) ever(-more),  (n-)ever, (beginning of the , while the) world (began, without end).  Compare 5550.  see GREEK for 104  see GREEK for 5550

[Akira329]

Help me to understand, lord
It seems Asah defines Bara??
It just broadens it, I still don't quite understand the difference
I'm burning cd's right now, I could say I'm making cd's that would be correct, right?
If I say I created cd's then the process is broaden a bit.
Meaning I made the cd itself, I made the material to make the cd, I made the material that the material of the cd is made of.
Therefore I created the cd, right??? Whats the difference
It seems that a combination of events defines whether its created or made,..................... never mind I think I just answered my on question.

Antaiwan

[cherokee]

Here are the definitions of create, make and age from Webster's 1828 dictionary from e-Sword. They may help give us a better understanding.

Peace,
Suzie

CREATE, v.t. [L.]

1. To produce; to bring into being from nothing; to cause to exist.

In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth. Gen 1.

2. To make or form, by investing with a new character; as, to create one a peer or baron; to create a manor.

I create you companions to our person.

3. To produce; to cause; to be the occasion of.

Your eye in Scotland would create soldiers, and make women fight.

Long abstinence creates uneasiness in the stomach; confusion is created by hurry.

4. To beget; to generate; to bring forth.

The people which shall be created, shall praise the Lord. Psa 102.

5. To make or produce, by new combinations of matter already created, and by investing these combinations with new forms, constitutions and qualities; to shape and organize.

God created man in his own image. Gen 1.

6. To form anew; to change the state or character; to renew.

Create in me a clean heart. Psa 51.

We are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus. Eph 2.

MAKE, v.t. pret. and pp. made.

1. To compel; to constrain.

They should be made to rise at an early hour.

2. To form of materials; to fashion; to mold into shape; to cause to exist in a different form, or as a distinct thing.

He fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf. Exo 32.

God not only made, but created; not only made the work, but the materials.

3. To create; to cause to exist; to form from nothing. God made the materials of the earth and of all worlds.

4. To compose; to constitute as parts, materials or ingredients united in a whole. These several sums make the whole amount.

The heaven, the air, the earth, and boundless sea,

Make but one temple for the deity.

5. To form by art.

And art with her contending, doth aspire

T'excel the natural with made delights.

6. To produce or effect, as the agent.

Call for Sampson, that he may make us sport. Judg 16.

7. To produce, as the cause; to procure; to obtain. Good tillage is necessary to make good crops.

Wealth maketh many friends. Prov 19.

8. To do; to perform; to execute; as, to make a journey; to make a long voyage.

9. To cause to have any quality, as by change or alteration. Wealth may make a man proud; beauty may make a woman vain; a due sense of human weakness should make us humble.

10. To bring into any state or condition; to constitute.

See I have made thee a god to Pharaoh. Exo 7.

Who made thee a prince and a judge over us? Exo 2.

11. To contract; to establish; as, to make friendship.

12. To keep; as, to make abode.

13. To raise to good fortune; to secure in riches or happiness; as when it is said, he is made for this world.

Who makes or ruins with a smile or frown.

14. To suffer.

He accuses Neptune unjustly, who makes shipwreck a second time.

15. To incur; as, to make a loss. [Improper.]

16. To commit; to do.

I will neither plead my age nor sickness in excuse of the faults which I made. [little used.]

17. To intend or to do; to purpose to do.

Gomez, what mak'st thou here, with a whole brotherhood of city bailiffs? [Not used.]

We now say, what doest thou here?

18. To raise, as, profit; to gain; to collect; as, to make money in trade or by husbandry; to make an estate by steady industry.

19. To discover; to arrive in sight of; a seaman's phrase, They made the land at nine o'clock on the larboard bow,distant five leagues.

20. To reach; to arrive at; as, to make a port or harbor; a seaman's phrase.

21. To gain by advance; as, to make little way with a head wind; we made our way to the next village. This phrase often implies difficulty.

22. To provide; as, to make a dinner or entertainment.

23. To put or place; as, to make a difference between strict right and expedience.

24. To turn; to convert, as to use.

Whate'er they catch,

Their fury makes an instrument of war.

25. To represent. He is not the fool you make him, that is, as your representation exhibits him.

26. To constitute; to form. It is melancholy to think that sensual pleasure makes the happiness of a great part of mankind.

27. To induce; to cause. Self-confidence makes a man rely too much on his own strength and resources.

28. To put into a suitable or regular form for use; as, to make a bed.

29. To fabricate; to forge. He made the story himself.

30. To compose; to form and write; as, to make verses or an oration.

31. To cure; to dry and prepare for preservation; as, to make hay.

To make amends, to make good; to give adequate compensation; to replace the value or amount of loss.

To make account of, to esteem; to regard.

To make away, to kill; to destroy.

1. To make free with, to treat with freedom; to treat without ceremony.make good, to maintain, to defend.

I'll either die, or I'll make good the place.

1. To fulfill; to accomplish; as, to make good one's word, promise or engagement.

2. To make compensation for; to supply an equivalent; as, to make good a loss or damage.

To make light of, to consider as of no consequence; to treat with indifference or contempt.

They made light of it, and went their way. Mat 22.

To make love,

To make suit, to court; to attempt to gain the favor or affection.

To make merry, to feast; to be joyful or jovial.

To make much of, to treat with fondness or esteem; to consider as of great value, or as giving great pleasure.

To make of, to understand. He knows not what to make of the news, that is, he does not well understand it; he knows not how to consider or view it.

1. To produce from; to effect.

I am astonished that those who have appeared against this paper, have made so very little of it.

2. To consider; to account; to esteem.

Makes she no more of me than of a slave?

To make over, to transfer the title of; to convey; to alienate. He made over his estate in trust or in fee.

To make out, to learn; to discover; to obtain a clear understanding of. I cannot make out the meaning or sense of this difficult passage. Antiquaries are not able to make out the inscription on this medal.

1. To prove; to evince; to establish by evidence or argument. The plaintiff, not being able to make out his case, withdrew the suit.

In the passages from divines, most of the reasonings which make out both my propositions are already suggested.

2. To furnish; to find or supply. He promised to pay, but was not able to make out the money or the whole sum.

To make sure of, to consider as certain.

1. To secure to one's possession; as, to make sure of the game.

To make up, to collect into a sum or mass; as, to make up the amount of rent; to make up a bundle or package.

1. To reconcile; to compose; as, to make up a difference or quarrel.

2. To repair; as, to make up a hedge. Ezek 13.

3. To supply what is wanting. A dollar is wanted to make up the stipulated sum.

4. To compose, as ingredients or parts.

Oh, he was all made up of love and charms!

The parties among us are made up of moderate whigs and presbyterians.

5. To shape; as, to make up a mass into pills.

6. To assume a particular form of features; as, to make up a face; whence, to make up a lip, is to pout.

7. To compensate; to make good; as, to make up a loss.

8. To settle; to adjust, or to arrange for settlement; as, to make up accounts.

9. To determine; to bring to a definite conclusion; as, to make up one's mind.

In seamen's language, to make sail, to increase the quantity of sail already extended.

To make sternway, to move with the stern foremost.

To make water, to leak.

To make words, to multiply words.

MAKE, v.i. To tend; to proceed; to move. He made towards home. The tiger made at the sportsman. Formerly authors used to make way, to make on, to make forth, to make about; but these phrases are obsolete. We now say, to make at, to make towards.

1. To contribute; to have effect. This argument makes nothing in his favor. He believes wrong to be right, and right to be wrong, when it makes for his advantage.

2. To rise; to flow toward land; as, the tide makes fast.

To make as if, to show; to appear; to carry appearance.

Joshua and all Israel made as if they were beaten before them, and fled. Josh 8.

To make away with, to kill; to destroy.

To make for, to move towards; to direct a course towards; as, we apprehended a tempest approaching, and made for a harbor.

1. To tend to advantage; to favor. A war between commercial nations makes for the interest of neutrals.

To make against, to tend to injury. This argument makes against his cause.

To make out, to succeed; to have success at last. He made out to reconcile the contending parties.

To make up, to approach. He made up to us with boldness.

To make up for, to compensate; to supply by an equivalent.

Have you a supply of friends to make up for those who are gone?

To make up with, to settle differences; to become friends.

To make with, to concur.

MAKE, n. Structure; texture; constitution of parts in a body. It may sometimes be synonymous with shape or form, but more properly, the word signifies the manner in which the parts of a body are united; as a man of slender make, or feeble make,

Is our perfection of so frail a make

As every plot can undermine and shake?

MAKE, n. [Eng. match; L. par.] A companion; a mate.


AGE, n. [L. aetas,or aevum. But these are undoubtedly contracted words.]

1. The whole duration of a being, whether animal, vegetable, or other kind; as, the usual age of man is seventy years; the age of a horse may be twenty or thirty years; the age of a tree may be four hundred years.

2. That part of the duration of a being, which is between its beginning and any given time; as, what is the present age of a man, or of the earth?

Jesus began to be about thirty years of age. Luke 3.

3. The latter part of life, or long continued duration; oldness.

The eyes of Israel were dim for age. Gen 48.

4. A certain period of human life, marked by a difference of state; as, life is divided into four stages or ages, infancy, youth, manhood, and old age; the age of youth; the age of manhood.

5. The period when a person is enabled by law to do certain acts for himself, or when he ceases to be controlled by parents or guardians; as, in our country, both males and females are of age in twenty-one years old.

6. Mature years; ripeness of strength or discretion.

He is of age, as him. John 9.

7. The time of life for conceiving children, or perhaps the usual time of such an event.

Sarah was delivered of a son when she was past age.

Heb 11.

8. A particular period of time, as distinguished from others; as, the golden age, the age of iron, the age of heroes or of chivalry.

9. The people who live at a particular period; hence, a generation and a succession of generations; as, ages yet unborn.

The mystery hid from ages. Col 1.

10. A century; the period of one hundred years.

[aqrinc]

Antaiwan,

Rather Bara is (creating what is now) from (what was not seen); and Asah is using the created thing to form
something. Like making bread from dough which was flour, water, oil and other ingredients.

George.

[Akira329]

Thanks George!
I realized that while writing my reply!!
Good thread though!

Antaiwan

[aqrinc]

Before The Beginning of The Creation.

Four different translations give's an insight into The Things of Old and answer more question.
Each tells the same story but i think also each gives more clarity to the whole. (The Same but Different) 

Proverbs: 8: 22-31 from 4 different Bibles, same scripture.

A: World English Bible.

22-"Yahweh possessed me in the beginning of his work, Before his deeds of old.
23-I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, Before the earth existed.
24-When there were no depths, I was brought forth, When there were no springs abounding with water.
25-Before the mountains were settled in place, Before the hills, I was brought forth;
26-While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields,Nor the beginning of the dust of the world.
27-When he established the heavens, I was there; When he set a circle on the surface of the deep,
28-When he established the clouds above, When the springs of the deep became strong,
29-When he gave to the sea its boundary, That the waters should not violate his commandment, When he marked out
    the foundations of the earth;
30-Then I was the craftsman by his side. I was a delight day by day, Always rejoicing before him,
31-Rejoicing in his whole world. My delight was with the sons of men.

B: King James Version (1769)

22-THE LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
23-I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
24-When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
25-Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
26-While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. 
27-When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: 
28-When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
29-When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed
    the foundations of the earth:
30-Then I was by him, as one brought up with him : and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
31-Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.

C: 1949/1964 (Bible in Basic English)

22-The Lord made me as the start of his way, the first of his works in the past.
23-From eternal days I was given my place, from the birth of time, before the earth was.
24-When there was no deep I was given birth, when there were no fountains flowing with water.
25-Before the mountains were put in their places, before the hills was my birth:
26-When he had not made the earth or the fields or the dust of the world.
27-When he made ready the heavens I was there: when he put an arch over the face of the deep:
28-When he made strong the skies overhead: when the fountains of the deep were fixed:
29-When he put a limit to the sea, so that the waters might not go against his word: when he put in position
    the bases of the earth:
30-Then I was by his side, as a master workman: and I was his delight from day to day, playing before him at all times;
31-Playing in his earth; and my delight was with the sons of men.

D: 1869 (Noyes Translation)

22"-The LORD created me, the firstling of his course, Before his works, of old;
23-I was anointed from everlasting, From the beginning, even before the earth was made.
24-When as yet there were no deeps, I was brought forth. When there were no springs, abounding with water.
25-Before the mountains were settled, Yea, before the hills, I was brought forth;
26-Ere yet he had made the land and the wastes, And the first of the clods of the earth.
27-When he framed the heavens, I was there; When he drew a circle upon the face of the deep;
28-When he made firm the sky above, And the fountains of the deep rushed forth;
29-When he gave to the sea its bounds, that the waters should not pass their border; When he marked out
    the foundations of the earth,—
30-Then was I by him as a master-builder; I was his delight day by day, Exulting before him at all times;
31-Exulting in the habitable part of his earth, And my delight was with the sons of men.

George.

[Snowfire]

Verses 30 and 31 seem to be in reference to Jesus Christ.
If Wisdom is birthed from God and life can only begat life. Then that life must have been Jesus Christ.

Rick

[aqrinc]

Hi Rick,

As Ray would say (Bingo Paleface), listen to the Nashville 08 Sunday morning 9-21-08 mp3 or
Video.

George.