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What is the turth about Paul??
Rene:
--- Quote from: digitalwise on October 26, 2008, 05:55:23 AM ---[I am going to correct the historic record here:
You will also note that Ray holds to a sympathetic approach in his writings to Luther as much he does the other mention cited here. On this issue having spent many years investigating earlier church fathers, I hold to a more modest account of historical records and not the rampant negativity on the internet.
digitalwise
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Digitalwise,
That above statement in bold made by you is not true. Below is an excerpt from a LOF installment in which Ray states how he really feel about Martin Luther:
http://bible-truths.com/lake16-C.html
Installment XVI—HELL: Part C THE ORIGIN OF ENDLESS PUNISHMENT
Whereas Calvin himself calls this damning of the children "a horrible decree," modern follower of Calvinism, Dr. James Kennedy, has euphemized Calvin’s "horrible decree" down to "Hell is FAIR." I am not sure how any modern followers of Calvin can euphemize his burning of Christian believers at the stake. What hideously evil men John Calvin and Martin Luther were.
And Christians by the thousands ask who I think I am that I should be judging such prominent theologians? I don’t judge them, I just expose their damnable heresies as I have just done one more time.
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Winner08
I too have recently been exposed to a most damnable seductive doctrine of man that perniciously devalues and slanders the status of Paul the Apostle. I do not know if you were exposed to the same false teaching. On the positive side for me it was a valuable exercise in discernment to encounter the deftly cunning and slanderous reasoning's that also presented a 2000 year "breach" period of Babylon. I did not click as fast as you did and I swollowed a bit more than you did before I recognised the insidious deception and ear stroking half truths.
If anyone else is being caught into deceitful teaching it is better to understand and believe the Scriptures and not the reasoning's of man and imaginings that pose themselves as sound doctrine when in fact they are only the doctrines of Demons.
Wolves in sheep's clothing mean only that some sheep have been devoured already or that there are wolverine apprentices within the flock. Paul warned of this happening. We can believe him. We can also believe what Ray teaches and that the Scriptures present Gods Word of Truth and Prophesy upon which we can depend, rely trust and believe.
Arc.
winner08:
I typed in the Apostle Paul on the internet and I found some interesting stuff. One thread is on Paul, James and Peter. If oneone goest there let me inow what you think.
winner08:
WOW! I'm sorry but you lost me with some of thoes big words. I guess i am not as smart as you think i should be.
1. perniciously, does that mean something like evil?
2 discernment?
3 defty?
Sorry,
darren
Kat:
Hi Digitalwise,
--- Quote ---You will also note that Ray holds to a sympathetic approach in his writings to Luther as much he does the other mention cited here.
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Ray spoke about Martin Luther a good bit about Luther work at the Mobile Conference in 07 'How we got the Bible.' He shows how he was a big contributor to the first Bibles, but to say he "holds to a sympathetic approach in his writings," well maybe for his work to translate Scripture. Luther may have been "ANTI-Babylonian" but a hero? He seems more like a Pharisee if anything to me.
Rene gave you an email, but here are a few more comments that Ray makes about Luther and I don't think he has much sympathy for the character of this man.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5815.0.html --------
Yes, Martin Luther, he’s a German. Did he have any documents? Yes, Martin Luther had a Erasmus collection of Greek manuscripts, that later became known as Textus Receptus. Martin Luther translated his Germany version from those Texts and the Vulgate. When in doubt, look at somebody that’s already done it, you will learn things.
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But it’s true, Martin Luther worked with Tyndale and he must have had a lot of influence with Tyndale. Because they knocked out that New Testament in one year.
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Martin Luther although he did a lot of good things, you just read what his attitude was towards the peasants. ‘Kill them all and make it dirty, make it fast.’ No mercy.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4268.0.html ------
Dear Larry: No, Calvin and Luther were not just the persecuted, but the PERSECUTORS! They were among some of the most evil and vile humans who have ever drawn breath on this God's earth. According to history they have more blood on their hands than most serial killers.
God be with you,
Ray
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