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What is the turth about Paul??
Beloved:
We need a dicitionary section here on the BT board ...otherwise for pernicious see strong delusions. .
It may be simpler to bookmark that Miriam web site, I just added it to my Look Up Folder..
beloved
AK4:
Darren
I had joined this one forum and there was this guys who discredited not only Paul but also 80% of the NT because he said it was written by either Paul or one of his cronies. (Almost all of the NT books, and heres a kicker --he was of the Jewish faith somewhat and he did believe OF Jesus and only some of the things Jesus said, but everything else was "interpolations from Paul and his cronies")
This is how it unfolded between me and him--
He brought the alleged accusation
I was appalled, scripturally "fought" back, but everytime i used something from the NT that would show how much of a hypocrite this guy was and all his beliefs, he would just say "oh that was written by Paul or one of his cronies so its not true"
I gave up for a couple of days and even questioned if he was right.
I came back again with "okay i wil just used the OT to prove Him wrong"--- I did this and then he started denying some things in the OT also even saying that the book of Job wasnt scripture. But by using just the OT i felt cornered and i remembered what Ray put in his Foundational Truths paper--"dont let them corner you" (paraphrasing)
So next i realised that i wont limit myself i will use all scripture, but this time i will turn his own words back on him because i started noticing him slipping up his words. (This guy really hated Paul) This guy said something and i basically told him that he should be careful because now your starting to sound like the guy you hate (Paul). His defense was that he was quoting Jeremiah not Paul so i said to him something like so if Paul is in agreement with Jeremiah, who you believe, why wouldnt you believe Paul is also speaking Truths?
And his response....Im still waiting on it and its been like a month or so. But in another thread he was posting some more hogwash and i confronted him on that and destoyed his theories again till he didnt want to talk to me any more. I basically to him thats okay but i will still respond to any of his posts that contradict the Word.
So now its at the point of where He used to post long posts, it is now to one or two sentences and i told him--
"Very gooood!! I have taught you something. If you keep your responses short, its less things i have, to use your own words against you.
Good job"
I guess what i am getting at is that this guy threw at me this Paul stuff and it was the first time i had ever heard of it and it did make me wonder and when i did give up at first i knew that if i didnt get the full answer it would possibly grow into more and more doubt, so i refuted this guy and the more i refuted him the more evidence God was giving of Pauls apostleship. That guy thought i was only talking to him because he thought i was trying to save him in the way that traditional christainity does it but i told him flat out that no i am not trying to save you at all, Im using you. Using you to strengthen my faith. (Well not me using him, but God using him to help strengthen my knowledge of scripture)
Paul never contradicted anything in OT and as for the NT that that guy said Paul and all his cronies wrote didnt contradict the OT and they didnt even contradict themselves. I told him that Paul must of been a genius to write all that and him and his cronies never contradicted. With all of mankinds advances today we cant get that kind of fluidity, that is in the whole Word of God, on any subject these days.
I dont know i thought i would share my story.
Hope it helps
Anthony
winner08:
Anthony great post. I do remember Ray saying don't let them push you into a corner stay on the offensive. Yes this is good
Darren
winner08:
First of all go back and read my post. for your information I never said I wanted any definition of any words. I said. Second of all, you should not assume anything if you don't know What I said. Like Ray says read the words.
Third I don't recall asking you anything.
I am happy with my vocabulary: I don't need,want or ask you for any help. Back OFF
Darren
winner08:
Look I'm sorry for being rude. I had a real bad day and I took it out on you. You did't deserve that.
Darren
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