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nightmare sasuke:
Jer 1:5  Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Someone used this verse to try to explain to me we pre-exist Earth.

What do you all think?

Sorin:

--- Quote from: nightmare sasuke ---Jer 1:5  Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Someone used this verse to try to explain to me we pre-exist Earth.

What do you all think?
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No, that's wrong. We did not "pre-exist" before we were born. What that means is God had a knowledge of us before creating us, but we didn't exist before we came into existence.

Deedle:
Rom 4:17  
As it is written: "I have made you a father of many nations."He is our father in the sight of God, in whom he believed the God who gives life to the dead and calls things that are not as though they were.

Isa 46:10  
Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things that are not yet done, Saying, "My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,' 11 Calling a bird of prey from the east, The man who executes My counsel, from a far country. Indeed I have spoken it; I will also bring it to pass. I have purposed it; I will also do it.

Deedle  :D

knuckle:
hi all----------

   kind of blows the free will argument out of the water doesn't it?I once got into a discussion with a fellow who argued that had the creation been good then why did Christ need come---I tried to explain that GOOD to the Creator has nothing to do with human morality (some vessels to honor others to dishonor)but rather that when something or someone is brought into this world that they are exactly as they were created to be.No mistakes,no plan Bs,God is in control.Some folks seem to have a problem grasping the concept I don't think the fellow I was discussing it with ever did.

berny:
HI,
I WONDER IF YOU SPOKE TO A MORMON BECAUSE I KNOW THEY THINK WE ARE GODS SPIRIT CHILDREN IN HEAVEN BEFORE WE ARE BORN HUMAN AND THEY ALSO USE THAT SCRIPTURE TO PROVE IT. IF WE LIVED IN HEAVEN WITH GOD ALREADY WHY WOULD WE WANT TO COME AND BE BORN ON THIS EARTH AND HAVE SO MUCH SUFFERING,I BELIEVED THIS ONCE WELL NEARLY I KEPT SAYING I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY I CHOSE TO LEAVE HEAVEN IN THE FIRST PLACE IF IT WAS TRUE OF COURSE I KNOW IT WAS YET ANOTHER LOAD OF RUBBISH, I THINK GOD LETS YOU EXPLORE ALOT OF LIES BEFORE HE LEADS YOU TO THE TRUTH AND SETS YOU FREE.
BERNY :)

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