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ScarletWren:
I'm still reading, I just guess I'll keep my opinions to myself for the most part.   ;D

aqrinc:
Hi SW,

No reason to become an introvert, we are all here because somehow (miraculously) we were shown some
more Light. ScarletWren, please keep asking even if the answer sometimes does not confirm your current
thought. It is only by diligent study and Prayer that we can both learn and then teach The Good News Of
The Gospel when called upon to do so. It would be nice if everyone always used the most understanding
and gentle tone to converse; however we are still all learning to be Just and Saintly (Holy). That comes with
practice and immersion in The Word (Baptism) and learning to Be Like Christ (Circumcision Without Hands).

We will all arrive at that point in our own order; so please do not lose patience or zeal for the Word and
Fellowship with like minded (even if not like in speech and conduct on line) people. Remember the Body Of
Christ is made up of different parts just like any other; the difference is that In Christ Jesus we are Made
Holy.

This is a bit longwinded for me, usually i just find the Scripture to say what needs to be said. Today i was
urged to write to you with application to us all so please do not be silent out of either anger or fear of
challenge to your current understanding.

For By Grace are ye Saved through Faith; and that not of yourselves, It is The Gift Of God; lest any should Boast.

Now for some Scripture:

Proverbs 16:23:
The heart of the wise teaches his mouth, and adds learning to his lips.

Proverbs 9:9:
Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning.

Acts 26:24:
And as he thus spoke for himself, Festus said with a loud voice, Paul, you are beside yourself; much learning
does make you mad.

Romans 15:4:
For whatever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort
of the scriptures might have hope. 

Romans 15:5:
Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be like minded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:

II Corinthians 6:4:
But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,

Love and Patience,

george.



--- Quote from: ScarletWren on October 27, 2008, 10:02:38 AM ---I'm still reading, I just guess I'll keep my opinions to myself for the most part.   ;D


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Beloved:
I have looked at the word saint in the scriptures The word Hagios is also used in conjection with the "Holy" Spirit.

I agree that this sentance in Ephesians has a conjunctive "and" but I do not see two groups being addressed but rather one, saints that are aloo faithful....

Eph 1:1  Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by [the] will of God, to the holy ones [or, saints, and throughout epistle], the [ones] being in Ephesus and faithful in Christ Jesus:

I see what Ray has written but is it possible that many of the church fathers in babylon saw themselves as saints and translated it that way. We are reading translations... :-\

The called and the chosen have both been called to Jesus, but I do not see how those in babylon can be called "holy" , except by their being called.

I was able to find a LXX with greek strongs and see that saints was used for holy in some places and this was translated saints, but in other places where saints is translated in the OT, the other words are used that I defined in my above.

It is going to take me time to put this together, There are a lot of verses to pull and compare. I want to see some witnessing scripure on this word.

I often find that terms and words are bandied in this world about without concern for a tight definition. I also believe that language in itself causes words to have multiple meanings.

I often find double entendre in scriture now, where the words are there but the person reading them sees something that is not intended.  Here at BT we are all aware of things that Ray has shown us like....all, eternity forever and ever....but I think there may be more.

Look whate a little comma and belief in heaven when you die, does to the understanding of this verse

Luk 23:43  And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Luk 23:43  "I tell you in solemn truth," replied Jesus, "that this very day you shall be with me in Paradise."

Luk 23:43  And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee today, thou shalt  be with me in paradise.

Luk 23:43    And Jesus said to him, "Positively, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.

Luk 23:43 And he said unto him-Verily, I say unto thee this day: With me, shalt thou be in Paradise.



beloved

EKnight:
George,

I hope Scarletwren appreciates your sincerity.  I know I do.

Very well said George.

Eileen

aqrinc:
Beloved,

This has been my biggest contention, words mean things so definition of words is of extreme
importance when speaking or translating. Especially when we read that in the latter times
even the meaning of words will be changed to deceive the world.

Yes there is Scripture to back this up but i have to wait until i get home to search it out or
let the fun begin and my Sisters and Brothers can go to work now.

george.

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