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Marlene:
Thanks Linny and Kat,
Thats what I was seeing before I found Rays website. I was seeing all the different believes of people who call themselves christians and it was nothing but confusion. God put that feeling of questioning what I was taught in me. It also, led me to feel confused , depressed and without hope. I felt like Hell. Praise God For Ray and people who are there to help us in our walk by uplifting us. By his grace I am learning how to walk this new and right way of the Spirit.
I am so blessed to know you all. I love you all.
In His Love,
Marlene

digitalwise:
This post takes into account various church doctrines on the dead. It not quoted to contradict anything on the forum. It is also very brief.

The majority of the evangelical church [Pre-WW 2] taught we go to paradise. That is from the statement of thief on the cross - "THIS DAY you will be with me in PARADISE".

Paradise - a place of the believer awaiting the day of resurrection - Last Trump. A place believed to be in the face [countenace] of God where departed believing souls feel love and rest.

Another interesting account of the dead is as follows:

The souls under the altar of God - [in His keep] cry out to God for Justice in Revelations. God hears their prayers from the dead martyrs. This comes to God ears where God tells them to wait a while longer till the saints on the earth pass through the troubled waters on the earth to be them at conjunction - which happens resurrection of the dead of elect and non-elect. It is hard not to see this reality when humans since histories dawn have suffered greatly for their faith.

It would be illogical and I know I cross some boundary but IMHO - these mentioned in Revelations obviously get very vocal toward the end and do not keep quiet. 

It gets ever more interesting - the Catholic church teaches Purgitory - a place of cleansing the soul until they are finally resurrected in the Rev 20.

The souls of the lost - or dammed - are lost forever without hope in present day evangelicalism - they are blanked out into darkness of deep sleep awaiting to be resurrected to be dammed to hell torture for eternity.

The above sentence in red is utterly an unteniable doctrine in the light of early church doctrine. No such doctrine existed as far as I am aware in very early church development of doctrine after the death of apostles. 

Many streams of Christianity teach a ONE judgement like the Lutherans in Rev 20.

Modern day evangelicalism since post World War Two have worsened there dogma with a confused pre-trib rapture eschatology derived from the Plymouth Brethern from the UK infecting mainline Southern Baptists churches in the States in turn infecting present day hell fire and brimstone teaching right across the spectrum.

This "infection" is NOT worldwide though and Australian churches along with British Church have held to huge differences in opinion to fundamentalist churches in the US who are the greatest offenders of the hell fire brimstone doctrine of evangelism. This corruption increases as the US translates all end time teaching [eschatology] into the pre-trib rapture dogmas.

Ray's approach to death is quite enlightening and is sound. This is founded on ancient doctrine found in the churches soon after the death of apostles - which for me I cannot understand the hullabaloo and hatred for Ray's doctrine concerning the place of dead souls in light of resurrection.

I do not blame anyone for being confused if you live in states and the sorry state of church doctrine.  Thank God you guys found Ray on this forum against the quicksands of your own US churches - which by the way horrifies me as to the teachings coming out of them.

digitalwise

Marlene:
Hello Digitalwise, Thank you for your informations. Yes, for sure it is an act of God for all of us who have found Ray's teachings and how he shows more then one scripture as a witness. Never  have I ever heard any minister I have listened too even do that.

His article abot death and all his articles are so true. I can't believe I ever bought into Hell or that just a few would be saved. It is surely Good News all are saved.

In His Love,
Marlene

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