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Heidi:
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--- Quote from: Martinez on October 29, 2008, 04:15:02 PM ---Killed in scripture is something I've been grapeling with lately.
When I am finally given understanding of what killed and kill is in scriptures, I think the bible will open up in a whole new way.
2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
So could it be that to be killed spiritually is to be given over to a carnal mind, that is given no spiritual understanding of the scriptures so that you see everything only in the letter?
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Absolutely Martinez...you nailed that one right on the head.
As Israel was led into captivity by physical enemies, we [spiritual Israel] are let into 'spiritual captivity' by 'powers and principalities'. But these spiritual enemies will perish by the sword, which is the Word of God. Now, how come I couldn't put that little bit together before? ;D
Marques
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Now it makes sense to me as well, thanks for clearing it up because I was a bit confused ??? when first reading the post.
Martinez:
Yes but.......then you've got this verse.
Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
I was thinking that to be killed was to be left in the dark and not understand spiritual matters but the above verse doesn't seem to be that way, but I could be wrong!
Could it be that there is a positive and a negative application of being killed?
chuckt:
--- Quote ---Could it be that there is a positive and a negative application of being killed?
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absolutly!
chuckt
Rene:
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Could it be that there is a positive and a negative application of being killed?
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Hi Martinez,
Here are a couple of email replies from Ray that fit into this topic.
René
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,6893.0.html
Dear Jason: I will make a few COMMENTS in your email..................
COMMENT: You do not understand the 6th commandment. It does not say "Thou shalt not KILL" in the Hebrew manuscripts. It says, "Thou shalt not MURDER." Big big difference. Soldiers kill in war, they do not murder. Murder is the illegal killing of someone. When God told the Israelite to kill all of the pagans which were committing every conceivable kind of crime including burning the little children in fire, He was not telling them to commit sin. It was not a sin to kill these people at God's command, because they were not "murdering" them which would have been breaking God's commandment and which then would have been a contradiction.
Ray
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,1908.0.html
Dear Ray,
Why did God command Israel to murder in the OT despite the commandment "Thou Shall Not Kill"? Didnt Jesus say, "love your enemies"?
Thanks for everything, God has truly blessed me through your site. Hope to hear from you soon God bless.
Joed
Dear Joed:
You have it completely backwards: God commanded Israel to "kill" their enemies, however, the seventh commandment is "thou shalt not MURDER." The same holds for the New Tesament commandment (Matt. 5:21). The translators didn't quite get that one right. God used his physical nation of Israel to Judge the heathens in the land of Canaan, where as in the future God will use his Spiritual Nation of Israel to Judge the whole word system of Babylon the Great.
God be with you,
Ray
Patrick:
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You do not understand the 6th commandment.
the seventh commandment is "thou shalt not MURDER."
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:)
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