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Spirit and Soul
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: hammerandnails on November 13, 2008, 11:57:26 AM --- 'And may the God of peace sanctify you-By the peace he works in you, which is a great means of sanctification.
Wholly-The word signifies wholly and perfectly; every part and all that concerns you;
all that is of or about you.
And may the whole of you, the spirit, and the soul, and the body-just before he said you; NOW HE DENOMINATES THEM FROM
THE SPIRITUAL STATE.
The spirit (Gal.6:8); wishing that it may be preserved whole and entire; then from their natural state, the soul and the body;
THESE TWO MAKE UP THE WHOLE NATURE OF MAN, (Mat.10:28) wishing it may be preserved blameless till the coming of Christ."
"TO EXPLAIN A LITTLE FURTHER: OF THESE THREE HERE MENTIONED, ONLY THE TWO LAT ARE THE NATURAL CONSTITUENT
PARTS OF MAN. THE FIRST (SPIRIT) IS ADVENTITIOUS, AND THE SUPERNATURAL GIFT OF GOD, TO BE FOUND IN CHRISTIANS
ONLY."
"That man cannot be possibly consists of three parts, appears hence: The soul is either matter or not matter: there is no medium.
But if is matter, it is part of the body:if not matter, it coincides with the Spirit."
This explanation make complete sense to me, and answers my previous question of how we are different from the rest of the world.
We are different because we have received a downpayment of the Spirit of God, a seal!!
--- End quote ---
Hello Ariel,
One question regarding this explanation of the spirit: If 1 Thess 5:23 is referring to the Holy Spirit and not the life-giving spirit that is in all men and beasts, why would Paul pray for the Holy Spirit to be santified? Isn't it the Holy Spirit which works in sanctifying us? That is what I thought was the big difference between the Holy Spirit and the spirit of life within us: the Holy Spirit is pure and leads us into all truth.
Thanks,
Marques
hammerandnails:
That is a great question!
Give me, I begg, a little time, to think how I can properly explain that.
I have some housework to do until later.
Thank you.
Your sister, Ariel
aqrinc:
Just my 2 cents, seems Gen 2:7, 6:17, 7:15, all speak of the breath of life that makes the man a living soul.
The other Scriptures speak of the (Holy) Spirit Of God; and (breath) spirit of man. Hope i am not confusing
the issue but there is a lot of sound and fury here it seems.
Genesis 2:7:
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
and man became a living soul.
Genesis 6:17:
And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath
of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
Genesis 7:15:
And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
Isaiah 42:1:
Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delights; I have put my spirit upon him: he
shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles
Isaiah 48:16:
Come all of you near unto me, hear all of you this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the
time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, has sent me.
Isaiah 59:21:
As for me, this is my covenant with them, says the LORD; My spirit that is upon you, and my words which I
have put in your mouth, shall not depart out of your mouth, nor out of the mouth of your seed, nor out of
the mouth of your seed's seed, says the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.
Ezekiel 11:24:
Afterwards the spirit took me up, and brought me in a vision by the Spirit of God into Chaldea, to them of the
captivity. So the vision that I had seen went up from me.
Zechariah 12:1:
The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, says the LORD, which stretches forth the heavens, and lays
the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him.
Matthew 12:32:
And whosoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaks against
the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Mark 3:29:
But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Spirit has never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.
Luke 3:16:
John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I comes, the
latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire:
george.
hammerandnails:
Hello, Marques
I thought about the explanation that I posted, and then to your question.
Now that you ask that, I can see that John Wesley did not help me much either.
Your question made me see that that explanation did not make that much sense after all.
Did you ever had something like that happen to you? Hmm ::)
Now I am more confused than ever.
I will pray and meditate on this.
In my experience, when I cannot get a satisfactory understanding, is because:
1. The answer is deep in Jordan, and I'm not there yet, or
2. I am not ready to receive the "light" on that scripture, because the Lord has other plans.
Thank you for opening my eyes! ;D
Dear George, awesome scriptures! A lot to think about!
In His Love,
Ariel
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: hammerandnails on November 14, 2008, 01:51:08 PM ---Hello, Marques
Your question made me see that that explanation did not make that much sense after all.
Did you ever had something like that happen to you? Hmm ::)
--- End quote ---
Oh, all the time...then I remember Ray's paper on 12 spiritual truths. That's helped me tremendously with understanding scriptures.
The thing I think can be confusing about spirit, is when you think of it 'only' as breath of life. True, that is one aspect but look at a definition from a concordance:
Spirit
Gk. pneuma
the spirit, i.e. the vital principal by which the body is animated
The spirit causes our body to be 'animated' or to have movement. Spirit is 'how' you move and do. Paul is not praying that 'how' you move and do be sanctified as it has no moral basis. Paul is praying that 'what' you move and do be sanctified and Paul knows that the spirit is 'how' you do this or that.
Acts 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
A person is born and has life. Their spirit is only giving them life; the ability to move and do. This person chooses to 'move and do' for unlawful gain or stealing. They are using the spirit of life in them to steal. The spirit of life in them is not what causes them to sin; their carnal mind is the cause. But they are still using the means to 'move and do' for ungodliness. This is the very opposite of what Paul prays for: For us to not use the means to 'move and do' for ungodliness.
Well, as you can see, I am definitely not a teacher...but I hope this helps nonetheless. Keep searching through Ray's emails and check out his 2nd paper to Dr. Kennedy as he teaches on this subject as well.
Thanks,
Marques
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