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winner08:
Prayer. Whatever we ask for in Jesus name is already done. I have read this in another post and it is confusing to say the lest. According to Ray's paper on Prayer, we can not recieve anything that is not already going to be given from God. Is this not correct? If we pray for healing or help and it is not in God's will then no amount of prayer will change Gods mind. why, because we all know that God does not change. So why did Jesus state the above? Ask in My Name and you shall recieve. Seek and you shall find Ask and you will be given to you, knock and the door will open. These are not direct quotes from scripture. My question is still vailed. Ask and you shall recieve. So many people's love ones die in terrible ways all the prayer in the world wont change that. Seek and you shall find. Really? Some seek all their lives and never find. Knock and the door shall be open. Really, When? Please no one take offence to my post. My purpose it not to offend. I am just wondering why what excatlly does that scripture mean.
Ask and you shall recieve
seek and you shall find
knock and the door shall be open
All these done in Jesus Name.
I read these request for prayer on our site and it got me to thinking. Will God give these people what they need? Only if it is in His Will to do so in the first place. I should have said what they want. wanting and needing are two different things.
Is prayer really for our own peice of mind?
I read the request portion of our site everyday and I write the names and the problems down in my note book at night before I go to sleep. I ask God to help my family (yall). I say the name and the problem and at the end of my prayer I always say in Jesus name please Lord help them. Man there's so much hurt going on so much pain I sure do pray that God does help everyone? All this brings me back to square one. If our prayers are not in Gods will in the first place, before we even ask then it will not be done Is this correct?
Thanks,
Darren
PS. I pray all yall prayers come true.
Beloved:
God is Spirit, most of our prayers concentrate on our physical wants and needs. God has given each of us different trials to deal with.
Look at His Son...Jesus prayed mornings and evenings and before many events like raising Lazarus....
Look at the Gospels...when Jesus was in Gethsemane He prayed three times...He was not praying about going to the cross...He knew that going to the cross was his destiny...
For that hour he had to deal with satan...who presented all of the horrors and humiliations that he would have to endure...
Look early in his ministry after the 40 days
(Mat 4:11) Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.
Mar 1:13 And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.
(Luk 4:13) And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season. Satan could not bother Christ till now.
But In the Garden
(Mat 26:39) And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
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(Mat 26:42) Again, a second time, having gone away, he prayed, saying, `My Father, if this cup cannot pass away from me except I drink it, Thy will be done;'
Understand that if it cannot pass unless taken in then I will do your will
(Mat 26:44) And having left them, having gone away again, he prayed a third time, saying the same words
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Mar 14:35) And having gone forward a little, he fell upon the earth, and was praying, that, if it be possible the hour may pass from him,
Mar 14:36 and was saying-Abba! O Father! All things, are possible to thee: Bear aside this cup from me; but not what, I, will, but what, thou, wilt .
(Mar 14:39) And again having gone away , he prayed, the same word saying;
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Luk 22:42 saying-Father! if thou be willing, bear aside this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but thine, be accomplished.
(Luk 22:42) Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
(Luk 22:43) And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.( do you see the connection
Luk 22:44) And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.
Instead of the wonders of the world satan shiwed him all the horrible things that would occur then and maybe even later in the ages until His Fathers Will would be totally fullfilled.
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(Joh 18:11) So Jesus said to Peter, "Put your sword into the sheath! The cup which the Father has given to Me, shall I not surely drink it?"
He took he cup of dealing with Satan and had no fear the rest of the way
(Joh 19:30) when, therefore, Jesus received the vinegar, he said, `It hath been finished;' and having bowed the head, gave up the spirit.
Jesus went through all that pain because He fully knew the purpose.of His Father ....
We pray because we too need to be in agreement with His purpose....even when we do not understand.......yes satan will show us all the ugly things too
We do know that God is Good, Faithful and True. We are to endure...and be faithful....not in ourselves but in Him.
We are not asking,seeking or knocking for physical things...things of this life but for the spiritual things...to know Christ His Word and to be One with the Father.
(Luk 11:11) If a son shall ask bread - word of God) of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone - a stumbling block? or if he ask a fish - meat , will he for a fish give him a serpent = false doctrine ?
(Luk 11:12) Or if he shall ask an egg - life , will he offer him a scorpion - death ?
(Luk 11:13) If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
Hope this helps
beloved
Richard D:
Hi Darren.
That’s exactly right , if it’s not in God’s plan we don’t get it but I might say God has our best interest at heart. I look at this way I’m a three year old kid and I want a motorcycle and God says no because He knows I will get killed on it.
Ask anyways because we do not know the purpose of God or the will of God. I detect anger in your thread which is normal I believe, but it is what it is. Its God’s plan and we are God’s work of clay.
I don’t understand many things or why this or that happens but I do understand God is making us into his sons or daughters. One day this age will come to a close and our suffering will come to and end. Be patient because we are only mortals and don’t understand or see the bigger picture.
Why was I laid off from my place of employment? I made more money than I could spend and was comfortable in life but now I depend on God for my life. Why does one die and the other one live? Why is one man rich and another man poor?
You’re absolutely right Darren, God will not change His mind and if it’s not God’s purpose for us to have something or answer our prayer what can we do? Who knows better God or us?
I hear what you’re saying Darren but I know God is in control of all things in heaven and earth. Don’t be angry but happy because God is calling you. And in the end all will be saved.
A flower cannot grow with only sunshine right, it needs the rain too. Will we only except good from the hand of God and not evil?
There are many things I don’t understand Darren but I do know its God who calls the shots and not us and let us say that you God.
I look at in this way, its God’s way or the highway of destruction. No one said it was going to be easy in fact with much pain and tribulation do we enter into the Kingdom of heaven.
I don’t know if this helps you Darren but someday this will all make sense.
God bless you Darren as you continue on your journey with the Lord. :)
In God’s love. Your friend and brother. Richard.
Robin:
Thank you beloved.
That is a great explanation of the process we go through.
Rene:
--- Quote from: M.G. on November 01, 2008, 10:51:31 PM ---Thank you beloved.
That is a great explanation of the process we go through.
--- End quote ---
I have to say an "Amen" to that. :)
René
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