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Can the gray haired lady change God’s mind?
winner08:
No George: America is itself is not bad its the some of the people that are bad. As everywhere else. I am sure that America is still the greatest country ever and worth fighting for. I just think the leaders of this country has dug us a hole so deep we can't get out of it. I also think that the core value of the U.S. (In God we trust) has become a thing of the past and is now just a catch phrase. we might believe but the country as a whole don't. If they do they have a funny way of showing it.
Darren
Kat:
Hi jacobbsladdr,
Ray wrote a paper that has a good bit about the Bohemian Grove you were talking about. Here is an excerpt from that article.
http://bible-truths.com/lake16-D2.htm ----------------------
I merely present a few facts concerning this strange ritual in the forest without lending credence to either of two broad interpretations of what this Club represents: pagan rituals with gross immorality involving prostitution and drunkenness, or just a little fun in the sun for high level movers and shakers to relax for a few weeks. But I think we seriously have to ask ourselves, of the thousands of possible settings and themes for a high level elitists men's club: why a sacrifice to a giant pagan idol in the woods to purge themselves of the cares of this world? And why are many of these same barons of politics, industry, and media also members of the Freemasons, Skull and Bones, and similar ghastly and secret fraternities.
Is not the spiritual attitude of the leaders of the western world also accepted and in concert with the rest of society? Have you seen or witnessed any major Christian denomination speak out against such rank heathenism practiced by the very men they support and elect to lead our nations? Does not "the Church" overwhelmingly support and elect candidates who are members of such secret fraternities founded upon rank heathenism. Look at that list again and you will find the answer.
So what's wrong with the leaders of our banks, news media, entertainment, industry, military, and government; foreign heads of states; and our own Presidents; taking part in such heathen practices as "sanctifying themselves and purifying themselves in the gardens behind a tree in the midst?" What's wrong with sacrificing a human being in effigy to a 45 foot dumb pagan idol? Is that such a terrible sin? Is this reason for God's wrath to come upon our peoples?
Just as I tried to show in my recent paper on the Twin Towers, it is a SYMBOL of man's defiance of God and His laws. The destruction of the Towers was not the fulfillment of God's wrath on our nation's sin, but rather what those Twin Towers represented. And the destruction of the Towers is merely a TYPE AND MANOR of the far greater destruction which is to follow. Many missed the point of my whole paper. I don't know how I could have made it more clear.
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I do not believe it is for us to be overly concerned with what is happening in the political arena. All these things must take place before He returns.
Mat 24:6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
BT is carrying the true message of the gospel of the kingdom to the world.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
aqrinc:
It all comes down to the same thing;
Jesus speaking to His Desciples
Read: Matthew 7:5:
You hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of your own eye; and then shall you see clearly to cast out the mote out of your
brother's eye.
Then read: http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3709.0.html
Excerpt from: Repentance Nashville Conference 2005
Repentance
Part 2
What I want you to see today is, that you are no better than this Hansan guy [when the audio began Ray was talking about this guy, but now is unable to recall his exact name] who killed and raped these little children. Your no better. Now I know you didn’t do it. But you are no better and that might be hard to believe, but I am going to try and show it to you.
You know the scripture that says, “Know ye that we should judge the world.”
And Paul says are you unworthy to judge in the littlest things? Don’t you know we will judge the world and you can’t even judge little things. You sue at the law, you sue your brothers at the law and so on, don’t you know we will judge the world?
Well let me ask you, if we are going to be judging the world one day, don’t you think we ought to be practicing? They say, ‘practice makes perfect,’ if we are going to do something.
We are the Lake of Fire, we will be judging man and the angels. Don’t you think we aught to have some practice at doing that then? Don’t you think we should be learning to judge now?
Well, we go to Matt. 7 and we read this, “judge not.” Is that a contradiction? “Know ye not that we shall judge the world and judge angels?” “Judge not.” Jesus Christ says in John 8:15, “I judge no man.” And He is the righteous judge of the world, but “I judge no man.” And in John 12;
John 12:46 I have come as a Light into the world, so that whoever believes on Me should not remain in darkness.
v. 47 And if any one hears My Words and does not believe, I do not judge him, for I do not come to judge the world, but to save the world.
Well, how’s He going to judge the world if He says, I don’t judge any man, I didn’t come to judge the world and you should judge not. How does that fit? Does anybody have any ideas? Are these contradictions? Actually they are not.
As you judge, as you condemn. That sometimes, the same word can be used with two slightly different connotations. Though judgment can mean to do good and to set right, it can also mean to render a sentence. Which whatever you think you're going to render, it could be bad, because there’s always two possible sentences to be rendered, innocent and guilty right. Judgment means to render a sentence, it has no bias as to which way it renders the sentence, it just means to render a sentence. It could be guilty and it could be innocent. But this verse does not stand alone. We read this and it says;
Matt 7:1 “Judge not, that you may not be judged.
v. 2 For with whatever judgment you judge, you shall be judged; and with whatever measure you measure out, it shall be measured to you again.”
farther along we read:
“When His disciples came unto Him.” He was up there in the mountains with only His disciples. Now understand Christ only talked to the masses in parables. But that doesn’t mean He didn’t also talk to His disciples in parables. He certainly did and here is a case of it. There are numerous parables in this, what we call ‘The Sermon On The Mount.” So what Jesus Christ is saying here, when He says, “And why behold YOU.” Who is the you? His disciples, these are not Pharisees and Pagans or the masses of Jerusalem and Judea or Galilee or whatever. These are His disciples. And He said, Why do you, you disciples of mine and maybe even at this point He was looking at one of His apostle’s when He said that. Because this is the very occasion where Jesus Christ picked his 12 apostles. It was at this time on this mountain, right here is where He hand picked 12.
“Mat 7:3 And why do you (My disciples) look at the mote in your brother's eye, but do not consider the beam in your own eye?
george.
Marlene:
George, I see what you are saying. We have all been of this beast system and we are all laboring, because the Lord is dealing with us now. We have left the political, religous system and social system of this world. We are being created in the image of god. We have been called out.
All, of us has been part of this world beast system. We have that beast that has to die daily now that we have left the religious system and worldly system. We judge ourselves now, so that we will not take of her plaques.
I don't think anyone means to judge here. We just see it more clearly now that God has taken us out of the system and giving us a race to run. For some time before I came out, he was preparing me. There were so many thing that I was seeing going on in churches that I have questioned sometime before coming in her. I think all of us were or we would not be here.
Yes, I agree we have nothing to boast about. Thanks and Glory is all his. He is enabling us to give up the World Beast and Our Own Beast Within.
In His Love,
Marlene
Richard D:
George.
Maybe I’m misunderstanding you but I’m getting from what you’re saying that I should not judge anyone, if I’m wrong please forgive me my brother.
Now you have quoted this scripture from the bible ( “Mat 7:3 And why do you (My disciples) look at the mote in your brother's eye, but do not consider the beam in your own eye?) I copied that from you George.
According to this scripture, unless I’m perfect I cannot pass judgment on anyone. But if someone offends me and ask forgiveness I must of judge that one as doing me wrong in order to forgive right?
So what do I do if I’m going to my car in a parking lot at night and see a man grabbing a women and starts to rape her?
Now I have to pass judgment on this act taking place right. So what do I say to myself? Do I say Richard, your good in this area and your ok in that area but over here you got some issues and you are not perfect so because I do have a mote in my eye I better not tell the rapist who has a beam in his eye what he’s doing is not right and just walk away.
Or do I judge the rapist for what he is doing as wrong and drag him off of her? But I must make a judgment call in order to do anything.
I will say this although if any man has a mother, wife, girlfriend or daughter he does not want a rapist walking around free I know I don’t.
In His Love. Richard.
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