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Having Trouble Understanding the "Law"
Origen II:
I've been debating with a Messianic Jew for a little bit and he insist that we must keep the Law.
The thing is, I know scripture states otherwise.
Here's my confusion, though:
If the Mosiac Law (including 10 Commandments) have truly been abolished...then why must we still follow such rules as no homosexuality (since this is part of the Mosaic Law), and other such things?
While I understand that many of the Laws are types and shadows of Christ, there are those that seem connected to the 10 Commandments, and if we still follow these precepts...aren't we still following the Law?
Just wondering. And I read Mikes paper on the Law, but it still didn't answer these questions.
How can we truly say we are no longer under the Law if we still think it bad to commit things that were considered the Mosaic Law? Do you see what I'm saying?
Andrew:
Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
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eutychus:
--- Quote from: Origen II ---I've been debating with a Messianic Jew for a little bit and he insist that we must keep the Law.
The thing is, I know scripture states otherwise.
Here's my confusion, though:
If the Mosiac Law (including 10 Commandments) have truly been abolished...then why must we still follow such rules as no homosexuality (since this is part of the Mosaic Law), and other such things?
While I understand that many of the Laws are types and shadows of Christ, there are those that seem connected to the 10 Commandments, and if we still follow these precepts...aren't we still following the Law?
Just wondering. And I read Mikes paper on the Law, but it still didn't answer these questions.
How can we truly say we are no longer under the Law if we still think it bad to commit things that were considered the Mosaic Law? Do you see what I'm saying?
--- End quote ---
the law has not been abolished, it will remain for it is for to bring people to Christ.
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
after which you are not "under" the law.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
2nd witness
Rom 10:4 For Christ [is] the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
once the commandment of LOVE comes it takes care of the physical laws.
Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
if you walk in LOVE the physical law really are a moot point.
i spent 15 yrs as a beleiver trying to obey physicall law and i was miserable, tortured in the presence of the lamb if you would.
once the commandment of LOVE came and i was given truth(CHRIST)
thats is truley when deliverance came and i walk in newness of life
CHRIST produceing the fruits of the spirit inj and through me, hence
i cannot boast in me but HIM.
obeying the physical law in the flesh always produces self boasting and pride :wink:
hope this helps, didnt want to qoute bunches of scripture
just give you mine.
1Ti 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
love
euty/chuck
Origen II:
Okay...I understand.
But still, if we are no longer to obey the Law of the flesh, why do we stop eating certain foods and viewing special Holy Days, but we still keep other parts of the physical law like homosexuality?
I'm just saying that I can't find anywhere where the ENTIRE Law is destroyed...nor can I find anywhere where the Food Laws are seperate from the sex Laws.
shibboleth:
You have asked good questions, Origen. We do know that the law is for the lawless and if you are a sinner then you need the law.
When you are teaching your little children right from wrong, the law comes into force. Children should be taught not to steal, lie, tattle tale, or to be selfish. Honoring their mother and father teaches them to have respect for authority. But, little children are lawless. They are not capable of doing right or wrong without someone to guide them, The 10 commandments can be thought of as a protection for society. We know sexual relationships outside of marriage can cause unwanted babies and dideases. There are other consequences for sex sins, but those are 2 that come to mind.
If we all had the love of God in our heart the other commandments wouldn't be necessary. We wouldn't think of doing anything to hurt god or our fellow man.
the problem is with churches that try to force the 10 commands on thir congregation. They are usually the most lawless of all people, because you can't keep the law in the flesh. That is the whole purpose of law; iit shows us how weak we really are.
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