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Having Trouble Understanding the "Law"
love_magnified:
--- Quote from: Harryfeat ---Since you state...... "They are no different from eachother. They all mean JESUS. I know you have heard that before, but understanding that answers all your questions."
........does that mean that we are sinning if we eat pork and shellfish. Do we have to abide in spirit to the other 603 commandments?
This is my source of confusion also. I enjoy eating shellfish and never gave it a second thought as being sinful.
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The apostles never say we need to abide by 603 commandments. We are not sinning if we eat pork and shellfish. There is a component to the Law which represented Christ, such as a Lamb being killed for sin. That NEVER justified a man. Killing a lamb never did anything to justify anyone. There was also nothing inherently wrong with eating pork or shellfish. You and I eat it and we don't pass out and die, right? That is because, like the killed lambs, the food also had representation: separation of the elect. Peter understood that when he had the vision of the sheet cleansing the Gentiles. The food laws represented separation of the elect. The Gentiles have been cleansed and called out.
The 10 commandments and the other moral commandments are also types and shadows. The 10 commandments in particular are a a type and shadow because it is God's righteousness in his Son written on stone, in the flesh, so that flesh can obey and of course fail. NOW, we do not even need those anymore. If a man has the Son within him, he need not even read the Law, for Christ is both willing and doing good through him. Avoiding sin and loving your brother will be instinct.
Harryfeat:
--- Quote from: love_magnified ---
--- Quote from: Harryfeat ---Since you state...... "They are no different from eachother. They all mean JESUS. I know you have heard that before, but understanding that answers all your questions."
........does that mean that we are sinning if we eat pork and shellfish. Do we have to abide in spirit to the other 603 commandments?
This is my source of confusion also. I enjoy eating shellfish and never gave it a second thought as being sinful.
--- End quote ---
The apostles never say we need to abide by 603 commandments. We are not sinning if we eat pork and shellfish. There is a component to the Law which represented Christ, such as a Lamb being killed for sin. That NEVER justified a man. Killing a lamb never did anything to justify anyone. There was also nothing inherently wrong with eating pork or shellfish. You and I eat it and we don't pass out and die, right? That is because, like the killed lambs, the food also had representation: separation of the elect. Peter understood that when he had the vision of the sheet cleansing the Gentiles. The food laws represented separation of the elect. The Gentiles have been cleansed and called out.
The 10 commandments and the other moral commandments are also types and shadows. The 10 commandments in particular are a a type and shadow because it is God's righteousness in his Son written on stone, in the flesh, so that flesh can obey and of course fail. NOW, we do not even need those anymore. If a man has the Son within him, he need not even read the Law, for Christ is both willing and doing good through him. Avoiding sin and loving your brother will be instinct.
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Sorry, I totally misunderstood your comment. The question you were responding to what I thought was the 603 vs the ten and I took your response to be saying the 603 were the same as the ten. Evidently you were saying something else.
feat
chrissiela:
--- Quote from: Harryfeat ---Unlike his apostles, Christ did not pick and choose and list out specific sins. His message was one of love of the Father and our neighbors. If we love the things of this world we miss the mark.
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Here is an instance where Christ did:
Luk 18:18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
Luk 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
Luk 18:20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.
Luk 18:21 And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up.[/list:u]
The thing is, though, that the law was still in effect until Christ nailed it to the cross and established the New Covenenant - sealing it with His blood.
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, NAILING IT TO HIS CROSS;[/list:u]
The ONE thing that this man in the above verses, who was 'keeping the law', lacked was CHRIST.
Keeping all those laws written in stone never saved ANYBODY. They were a ministration of DEATH.... the strength of sin is the law and by the law came the knowledge of sin.
But the knowledge of God (LOVE) comes through Christ.
Chrissie
Origen II:
Some here need to read Leviticus :p
Such things NOT to do in the book of Leviticus are eating certain meats, wearing certain types of material, cutting your hair certain ways, etc.
It's just odd that these same laws are right next to laws that are apparent sins (like homosexuality) and aren't even seperated.
Harryfeat:
Thanks Chrissie,
That was great. I had meant to speak only about the the 603 other laws but neglected to qualify my statement. My sentence should have began with, as far as the other 603 laws.
I knew He talked about the ten commandments. My bad. :oops:
Thanks for pointing that out. I will edit to make it clear for future readers.
feat
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