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Beloved:
It is not about the dispute of his being scourged or beaten...here are the four passages that talk exactly about it

Mat 27:26  Then released he Barabbas unto them: and when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered him to be crucified.

Mar 10:34  And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again.
Mar 15:15  And so Pilate, willing to content the people, released Barabbas unto them, and delivered Jesus, when he had scourged him, to be crucified.

Luk 18:33  And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.

Joh 19:1  Then Pilate therefore took Jesus, and scourged him

There are references to this in the OT but are as explicit as these eye witnesses to the effects of the scourging. I doubt that they could ever talk about it again....after the ressurrection...without considerable remorse for themselves and mankind.

Beloved

winner08:
Beloved: You just quoted four passages that states that Christ was tortured. I don't know what roger calls it or anybody else. It is torture. Also I too understand that Christ overcame. So what I am not guided by the Holy Spirit because I read where Christ was beaten and mocked and whipped (tortured) AND understand He overcame these things to live again and to be seated at the Right Hand of the Father. YE, I know I am guided by the Holy Spirit. The only mistake I made here was saying the words"like we all have" That is it.

Darren

ScarletWren:
For the record, I never said anyone WAS persecuting winner.  I asked if he FELT persecuted.  There is a difference.   I'd like to say more but it would be useless.

Beloved:
I do not think that Rodger or myself are saying that jesus was not "beaten" in the physical. That is why I posted those scriptures.

There was no television or ipods or internet...believe me the populattion knew all about Roman stye execution. The Romans were extremely intolerant of anything they perceived as rebellion.

Darren, the movie plays on the carnal...the visual and the emotions. What was done to Jesus was carnal and even without the movie it shows us the depths of mankinds depravity....

When Adam and Eve where in the garden..a physical sacrifice was made...to clothe them.....It was a image of what Christ was going to do and what He did do ....and what He will do (clothe all mankind" ) in the future.

Symbolically that is what we have to go through, we die daily each idol of the heart will be removed like a scourge. We are spat upon by Babylon and called heretics. Right now we are dead to them and lying on the street.

Darren, I am not trying to dispute the issue of the actual passion of Christ, what we are trying to point out is that we no longer have to give credence or be bothered by the nonsense that Hollywood or babylon puts out anymore. We do not look back, we walk in the Light and in the Way.  



Beloved

dewey:
paula and I watched the movie and thought it was ok. We both like Mel.  The real life punishment was much worse.  Any other human being would have been dead hours earleir. They could not kill Jesus -  he had to take his own life while on the cross; once again proving that dying is as much a miracle as being born.

love y'ans in Christ

Dewey

p. s.  no matter what, faith and grace

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