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To many ifs.
Ninny:
Martin at least you can do that! I have to look up everything I know the verses in my head but not always where they're located! That's why we are all members of the body we each have a different role to do! I appreciate your "rapid fire" response! ;D
Kathy :)
Richard D:
Kathy.
Your right, I’m having a bad day today and feel like the weight of the whole world is resting on me. I’m getting these mix signals today for what ever reason. I need a day of two to sort this stuff out.
Richard.
Martinez.
Thank you also, I’m going through these doubts right now and I’m struggling I do appreciate your input and no need to apologize as no offence was taking my brother.
Richard.
Kat:
Hi Richard,
I think this might help, it is an excerpt from the transcript 'Who and What is Jesus and Who is the Father?'
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4472.msg34384.html#msg34384 ---
it’s like the old saying; act like it all depends on you and pray like it all depends on God. That’s the way you should live your life. He (Jesus) could not help but pray.
What appears to be contradictions are not contradictions, when you have a higher spiritual understanding of what it’s talking about. Let me show you a perfect example and it sounds like a contradiction, but it’s not.
Phi 2:12 “Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.”
Doesn’t that contradict this whole thing... we’re saved by grace and not of works? Now we’re to work out our own salvation? What is that? How do you explain that “Of Myself I can do nothing” (John 5:30)? And He said YOU can do nothing (John 15:5), to the apostles. Then Paul says “work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” Well it does sound like a contradiction. But read the next verse and He tells us why. "For" now that word always means ‘because' or it’s another word for because.
Phi 2:13 “For (because) it is God who works in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure.”
Some of you probably still don’t get the answer, but it is there. "Work out your own salvation," is not the gist of that saying. He is not saying, work out your own salvation(.) No, He’s saying “work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, that’s where the emphases is, on fear and trembling, not on work out your own salvation.
You work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, why? Because it all depends on God! If God doesn’t do it, it won’t happen, IT WON’T HAPPEN! So we live in fear and trepidation.
I cannot drive down the street, being the safest driver that I can be and know that I will avoid an accident, if God has already determined I’m going to have one. What it doesn’t mean is you can drive down the road foolishly... or you don’t need to wear a seat belt... or close your eyes for a while... or something like that. But you do have to act it out. Why? You have to, He makes you.
He made you come out of your mother’s womb and He made you cry. Not that He forced you, but circumstances, He brought about all the circumstances. He made you cry, makes you grow and makes you fight with your kid brother.
You do all these things and people reach a place where they get tired of it. So we have plays like ‘Stop the world I want to get off.’ It's like I’ve had enough, I’m at the end of my rope and it’s the end of the line. Well it’s only the end of the line IF God has determined it’s the end of the line.
If say you came to that conclusion at 8:30, and He knows you won’t die until your 77 1/2, your not going to end it.
That’s where the fear and trepidation come in. It ALL depends on God, there’s nothing you can do. But YOU have to work it out. YOU have to get up and go to work. YOU have to do all this stuff.
Then you say I don’t want to anymore, well circumstances make you.
So you think, I’ll just end it all... then your child comes up and says ‘Mommie.’ Now you say, oh my gosh I have a child, I can’t kill myself I’ve got to live for my child. You see?
So God makes you live this life. He makes you do all this, HE MAKES YOU DO IT. But not against your will. He puts you in circumstances and that’s the only way you can go. The ONLY way!
You think, 'I shouldn’t have done this or that.' That’s right you should think that way. You should think that... 'I shouldn’t have done that,' because then you're learning.
When you learn, you will then put that into practice, because God doesn’t have you learn things so you can’t put them into practice. He has you learn things so you CAN put them into practice. But the only way you will learn them, is if you see how stupid it was, and you say if I had it to do over, I wouldn’t have done that. So YOU HAD TO DO THEM! Because that lead to a lot of trouble and pain and sorrow. But did you learn your lesson? 'Well yea.' Then don’t do it again okay, now their back on track.
But the whole human race does not comprehend that they do not have free-will. They have a will based on everything that everything makes them do. That’s their 'free' will.
When you think about this you can go crazy, because the whole thing is bizarre.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
Martinez:
--- Quote from: Ninny on November 11, 2008, 08:51:50 PM ---Martin at least you can do that! I have to look up everything I know the verses in my head but not always where they're located! That's why we are all members of the body we each have a different role to do! I appreciate your "rapid fire" response! ;D
Kathy :)
--- End quote ---
Yeah you're so right Ninny, it is a gift, a free gift,
it's called e-sword!
LOL!
eggi:
Hi Richard, Great thread everyone. Love you a lot! Richard, I struggled with these concepts some months ago. Thinking about it broke something inside of me. I became fearful, and to a certain point unbelieving as well. It just seemed too hard! The reason I had these thoughts was that I talked to a man who criticized me for not going to any church on Sundays. He told me that Satan had fooled me into believing that everything was OK in my life, that I could just take it easy and 'sleep'. Well, this got me thinking and I started to be a bit unsure to say the least. I knew that nothing was wrong about the church thing, but I couldn't let go of that judging tone (Who do you think you are, you don't go to church?). I felt like... 'This is hopeless'. But after thinking about this for many days, I arrived back to the cornerstone Jesus Christ! Here's the thing: We don't know if we will be the Elect, but we don't know if we will NOT be the Elect. If you knew, you would be puffed up! It's for our own good that we don't know! In my opinion, the fact that you struggle with fighting sin, the fact that you worry about sin shows that you at least are on the right track! Feeling saved just because you go to a church every Sunday morning shows that you are far away from realizing how hard it is to get saved. Richard, thank God that you worry about these things! Be patient and pray. Remember always that GOD IS GOOD! He won't let you down! God bless you, Eirik
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