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Evil.
aqrinc:
Richard,
Yes to Romans 8:20; i was addressing the highlighted part of your answer to Amrhrasach.
Type and shadow Sin in heart or Act of Sinning.
george.
--- Quote from: Richard D on November 13, 2008, 08:49:08 PM ---Amrhrasach.
We already know that Eve while in the Garden before the fall if you would already had lust of the eye and the pride of life right?
So if Eve already had these sins in her heart why would God place them outside the Garden of Eden? It appears that just knowing about evil is not what God had intended for us. Or why not leave Adam and Eve in the Garden.
Let us reason it this way. God could have told Adam what it would be like to feel hunger pains and Adam would have only known it through intellectual knowledge and not through experiencing this pain first hand.
I can know about women having birth pains but I do not know through experience that pain she went through. It’s my belief God wants us to know about evil through experiencing evil and not just being told about it.
So now I’m back to my original question.
As I ponder these thoughts I’m wondering would one not need to experience every evil thing under heaven to have a full understanding.
In God’s Love. Richard.
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Richard D:
Hello Kathy.
You made a great point which I did not contemplate, you said (You can not live in this world without being acquainted with evil. It affects us in different ways,)
Maybe that’s the answer, You know, when I hear about a child being physically abused on the news it bothers me or someone being murdered or a Connor store being robed it does effect me.
Kathy, I think you hit the nail on the head, what you said makes perfect sense to me.
In God’s Love. Richard.
Kat:
Hi Richard,
I do not feel we have to experience 'every' kind of pain to understand what pain is. You might not understand the pain of actual childbirth, but I'm sure you have felt pain and can relate in general to what pain is.
Now I do believe that we have to experience evil, I think that is part of learning good and evil in this life. But I don't believe we have to experience 'every' evil to relatively understand it. I know what evil is by my own actions and I don't need to experience every evil to know what the beast in me is capable of. I know if not by the grace of God I could become the most evil person in the world, all it would take is the right circumstances and causes.
Just another perspective.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
aqrinc:
Kat, i agree with one caveat;
You wrote:
I know if not by the grace of God I could become the most evil person in the world, all it would take is the
right circumstances and causes.
My capacity for evil is infinitely greater than most; why i always say (there but for The Grace Of God, go I)
george.
Amrhrasach:
Hello Richard.
This past weekend I was reading LOF part 15 and last night I remembered reading this section. It may be of some worth on this topic.
THE PURPOSE FOR WHICH GOD CREATED EVIL
This is all the strange work of God. There is no free will about it. We are all born out of a dark womb into the natural light of day, but this too is but a parable. We must be “born again” out of spiritual darkness of this age into the glorious light of the Sun of God. It is a painful journey, and requires an experience of evil to accomplish.
“And I gave my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all things that are done under heaven: this sore travail has God given to the sons of man to be exercised therewith” (Ecclesiastes 1:13).
What a horrible translation! My King James has three superior numbers in this one verse indicating three different words in the margin. Especially the last phrase:
“…this sore travail has God given to the sons of man to be exercised therewith.”
What pray tell does that mean? One of the most all-encompassing and profound verses in all Scripture, and most translations butcher it beyond understanding.
NEW AMERICAN BIBLE: “A thankless task God has appointed for men to be busied about.”
JEWISH PUBLICATION SOCIETY: “…it is a sore task that God has given to the sons of man to be exercised therewith.”
NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION: “What a heavy burden God has laid on men!”
YOUNG’S LITERAL TRANSLATION: “It is a sad travail God has given to the son of man to be humbled by it.”
This is really an important verse; we have got to get it right. Young’s Translation gets a little closer to the truth than the KJV or the previous three references. He got the humbled part right. But what is all this “sad travail,” “heavy burden,” “thankless task,” business all about? It is not that difficult if we will just look at the Hebrew words:
Ecc. 1:13 from the King James:
First, the word “this” may be better translated “it,” as some have done.
But far, far more important than all, the word “sore” should be translated “EVIL” as almost none have done. It is the Hebrew word ra which always means “EVIL,” and is translated as “evil” in hundreds and hundreds of other verses. Why not in this verse? The few times that ra is translated “sore” in the KJV, it ALWAYS means “evil” as in “evil sickness” or “evil troubles.”
The word “travail” in the KJV is not out of line with the Hebrew, but is nebulous and not easily understood by most. It would better translated as “employment” or “experience.”
And we have already seen from other versions that the KJV “exercised” is better translated “humbled” as Young’s and Concordant has done.
Here then is a proper translation of this most profound verse:
“It is an experience of evil Elohim [God] has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it” (Concorant Old Testament).
Now we can easily understand what is being said in this verse.
This “experience of evil” is not the purpose or goal of human existence, but this is indeed the process by which God is bringing His Sons and Daughters into glory! Most translations have hidden the meaning of this verse of Scripture. The translations just couldn’t believe that God would do such a thing. They see it all around them. They see it in thousands of Scriptures, but they just couldn’t bring themselves to come right out and say it, as God obviously has stated in the original Hebrew of this verse.
“It is an EXPERIENCE of EVIL that God has given to the sons of humanity to HUMBLE them by it.”
And to this agrees the rest of Scripture:
“For ALL his days are SORROWS, and his travail [experience] GRIEF…” (Ecc. 2:23).
The destiny of the human race is indeed GLORIOUS, but the journey is filled with evil and sorrow. This not to say that there are not many beautiful and good things in life, but for most the misery far far outweighs the pleasurable.
Do not be deceived: when Jesus said—“…I am come that they might have life and that they might have it more abundantly” (John 10:10), He was surely not speaking about this life, now, in the flesh! Contrary to the evil teachings of prosperity ministers, Jesus never promised us LARGER HOMES AND GREATER MATERIAL POSSESSIONS after we start following in His steps.
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Most importantly in this part of the article which is in-line with your question is this part: “This “experience of evil” is not the purpose or goal of human existence, but this is indeed the process by which God is bringing His Sons and Daughters into glory! ..”
Hope this adds some worthy dimensions to the understandings.
Read it all here: http://bible-truths.com/lake15-C.html
A.
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