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Deborah-Leigh:
Matthias was used for a great deception. Indeed this is truth. How can any not see the obvious? :)

Would God leave us no examples of those who come out of Mystery Babylon? Carol identifies a list of a few changes of heart that God created in the OT. Should we think that God was remiss in the NT? Did God go on a tea break after the OT? Is God inconsistent? Enter Matthias!

Can God be so tricky, invisible and not so obvious? Of course He can and IS! Is Matthias the first to come "out of her." Was Matthias suddenly to find himself promoted to the status of one of the twelve, and then to not so suddenly but very apparently to us reading little evidence of him later meaning that God shows us that Matthias went OUT not of the party of twelve but of Babylon the Harlot.  ;D

Good ole Matthais obeyed! He was appointed anointed and went out! No mistakes with God. No slip ups or accidents or Satan getting the better of God. God appointed approved and designed that good ole Mat. would get the vote and become the 12th appointment to the office of Apostle. If it were not so it would not have happened! Right? Any disagreements here? No I did not think so! We are well versed here at BT on God and HIS Plan Purpose and fact that non can thwart God or His Pleasure and Council. I know I know, no one was arguing that point but it is a point of agreement right. Right.

Matthais was appointed whether it was with or without the directive.....neat new word to put a spin on the wheels and create a lot of dust! ...."Directive" is a word we should pay attention to.  God IS the directive, HE is calling the shots and is in control of everything. Would a wise and Sovereign God not present an example ?  These things are written for our admonition. I do not see anywhere that Matthias was another devil that sequestrated the official appointment of the office of Judas. The appointment of Judas was not a separate office that was different to the eleven other appointees. There was no special different CV criteria that Judas has except he was a devil of his father the Devil and father of lies. His office was no different to Matthew Mark Luke or John and co. HE WAS DIFFERENT. Judas was different. THE OFFICE and appointment was the same thing.

To even discuss that Matthais was not according to God but only to man, and to believe that Mat. was a selection of carnal man remiss of any "directive" from God is to gain access to the office of Elijah which opens other doors to other than the appointment of  the 12th Apostle.  To disbelieve the Scriptures is folly. 

When Elijah spoke to God He heard. When Moses spoke to God He heard. When Jesus spoke to God He heard. When the eleven Disciples prayed to God was He suddenly deaf? Can you not see how pathetic this gets?

Acts 1 : 24 Then they prayed (The eleven Apostles prayed)  "Lord, you know everyone's heart. SHOW US which of these two YOU have chosen to take over this apostolic ministry, which Judas left to go where he belongs (  that being to the place deserted with no one to dwell in it...vs 20....

So was the Lord not listening when the eleven petitioned Him. Did someone else answer them with the lot falling to Matthias. Was God on the toilet at that time or was He sleeping perhaps? NO. This event happened as God DIRECTED.

God is One and He does not screw up. If it happened it was in the Plan and Purpose of God. Mat was appointed then went off the record.  Why? Was it not because Mat came out of her My People.... :D Only a devil coming out of the house brings back seven more to raid the property. There is a devil in the house and that is right alongside what Ray our teacher teaches....( TEACHER office...one of five appointments...you know, some apostles, some prophets, evangelists pastors and teachers Ephesians 4 : 11 ) Who makes this appointment? HE gives some to be teachers and apostles. Who is HE?  Christ of course. Are there counterfeits today. Sure there are but non would have the landslide unanimous vote of eleven Disciples of Christ and get it wrong I do not think.

Has God left the eleven to go save the one? Well that question might open a whole new "other" gospel! We can be sure about the warning not to embrace or believe those other gospels can we not?


Arc

Beloved:
I have not said anything about the twelves apostles but would add one small point...at Pentecost there were 120 people that received the Holy Spirit ....

The way I look at it is ...the 12 to the 120 signifies that there was a raise in the notch of spiritual government....12,000 x 12 will be the completion I do not think that this is actual  number of people but rather it represents the ultimate power level.

Now isn't it interesting but the very last verse in Jonah speaks to this topic...this is God talking now

(Jon 4:11)  And was not, I, to spare Nineveh, the great city,-wherein are more than twelve times ten thousand human beings, who cannot discern between their right hand and their left, besides much cattle?

This repentance at Nineveh was a parable. I think it represents the bringing in the wheat...those who profess in believing in Jesus,  the number is not complete ....12 x 10,000 is 120,000.... The phrase is that they do not know their right hand from their left .....aptly describes them ....Christians have some understanding of what God teaches but they lack discernment to act on doing what is right. They do not obey His commandments. 

Did you catch the last phrase...besides much cattle....is God going provide salvation to animals....I think not ....Then why does He mention them.....

The way I see it , the cattle represents the rest of humanity,  the bringing in of the grapes....the ungodly, they are totally clueless , they do not know God's Way or His commandments. That is why ....when God told Israel to wipe out a people he also told them to wipe out their livestock too. 

When the third harvest is brought in, then the number will be reached and All will be in All.

Beloved 

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