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Out of Egypt
Amrhrasach:
“There has been a lot of murmuring and complaining on this forum lately in the same fashion as the stubborn children of Israel in the wilderness. While some choose to voice like a trumpet to these members who look wistfully back to Egypt, others choose to help them polish these idols of the heart and tell them how wonderful they are. This is wrong. Why do we continue to stroke their egos when instead helping them understand the correction that has been presented to them?
Listen, those who keep idols of the heart will always be the ones who are 'easily offended'. It has nothing to do with the 'way the message was said' but rather the message of truth itself is what these members have a problem with. They wish to worship the Father 'their way' not in spirit and in truth.
Though they apologize profusely again and again, there acts of repentance are a sham as they continue to worship their idols of their hearts and tell you 'don't judge me!'
What fellowship does light have with darkness? Or believers with nonbelievers? These conflicts are of Satan as Joe pointed out previously and the means are believers being yoked together with unbelievers. And because of this, which Paul admonishes us NOT to do, we have ongoing conflicts. It's not a matter of one stating 'Well, I am not as learned as you'. That has nothing to do with it and I am tired of hearing that lame excuse. It is a matter of being humble, being teachable, and giving up these idols of the heart.
So there is no confusion: If you DO NOT want to give up these idols of YOUR HEART after multiple members continue to point them out, you have no business here! Your presence will only cause strife and chaos. If you DO want to give up these idols of the heart, stop putting it back together after the Word of God smashes it into a thousand pieces. This has gone on long enough but we all need to put our foot down. Otherwise, this forum will be the redundant, unfruitful, chaotic mess where it is headed.
Thanks,
Marques”
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In the first post of this topic the above words are the only words Marques penned. The rest of the post contained scripture. As I see it, it’s about “idols of the heart”. I see that as the main thrust, or point, Marques was making.
He did use specifics. But. He didn’t point any fingers. He didn’t mention names.
How now that some members have stepped forward to challenge Marques and claim error? Where lays the error? With Marques because he sees an opportunity to bring to light a reflection of idols in our midst? So Marques is now pronounced guilty of error?
Not hardly.
Ask yourself this question: Am I guilty of the idols he speaks? If you feel you are, work it out, quietly. And, honestly, (and it’s just me) but you should really thank Marques if that is the case. Not condemn him. If you feel you aren't guilty, even by association or intent of heart at times, then why defend yourself and find fault with Marques and his post.
Craig said something the other day and it hit home solid with me, and I’ll paraphrase it (I’m on dial up, it would take hours to find it), but, the gist was “sometimes a posters words contribute nothing to a post). Well, that may as well speak to me now perhaps, but so be it.
But so you know, I asked myself the same question this morning when I read the post: “Am I guilty of that which Marques speaks.” The answer came back a resounding YES. But I hold no ill to Marques. When I said “thank you Marques” earlier, I meant it.
So again, for those who have found contempt, even a little, perhaps it is best to recoil and give this matter some time to work it’s way through without so much a tittle of condemnation for one of our own.
Best.
A.
EKnight:
Darren,
You are so brave. I have been reading this thread, holding back tears and feeling physically ill because I have no where to go if I leave this forum. However, the forum has become useless to me for the reasons you state in your post. I am afraid (yes, I know it's a sin to be timid and fearful), I have so many questions regarding Ray's papers but I don't want to be "labeled" unteachable, or carnal or having idols of the heart (as we all do) and like you said, I have read them over and over and over and still don't see some of the things that Ray even says are so "simple". I just say to myself, I guess God does not want me to see it yet. When they asked why I wanted to join the forum this is what I said:
My reason for wanting to Join is that sometimes I have questions that I know Ray is too busy to answer, so I thought I could get a better understanding on the Forum.
And they let me join. Perhaps they shouldn't have.
Anyway Darren, thanks for you courage, I am sure I am not the only one that echoes your sentiments.
Eileen
winner08:
Marques I agree if one is asking the same question over and over and all they are doing is trying to find an ansewer that fits their beliefs then they are in the wrong place. Most us us here are here for the truth according to God's word. We are(most) like minded and we are a family searching for understanding. No one should be afraid or timied when it comes to questions. What one person finds simply the other might not. We are all on different levels of understanding and we all should treat one another accordingly. Don't you agree? once again I have to apoligize for my spelling. I don't know why my spell check does not work.
Darren
Richard D:
--- Quote from: mharrell08 on November 24, 2008, 08:17:00 AM ---
--- Quote from: Jackie Lee on November 24, 2008, 12:15:37 AM --- What Idols are you speaking of exactly?
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Here are some more exact examples:
1. Some create idols of the heart by disregarding the scriptures and Ray's teachings regarding one verse interpreting itself. These members will continue to insist 1 verse has a different meaning than the rest of the scriptures all together. 2 Pet 1:20 ...that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. Matt 18:16 ...in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
2. Some create idols of the heart by either stating and/or implying they are of the chosen or that God cannot make them into the chosen. Both of these sentiments demean the very words of our Lord who stated it is He who does the choosing and nothing is too hard for God. John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you... Matt 19:26 ...with God all things are possible.
3. Some create idols of the heart by continuing to insist that political and social events are a sign of the Lord's judgments on the House of God going on now. Judgement brings about righteousness and is spiritual...Christ & His judgement comes to US 'quickly' not those of the world. Isa 26:9 ...for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness. John 6:63 ...the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit. Rev 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly...
4. Some create idols of the heart by creating numerous posts that have nothing to do with scriptures and/or Ray's teachings but are a means to say 'Look at me'. They treat the General Discussions as a personal blog with complete disregard for anyone else looking for spiritual truths...not commentary that borders on heresy. 1 Tim 1:6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling. 2 Tim 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
5. Some create idols of the heart by bringing their carnal conversations of the world into the forum. Why are these members trying to find reasoning with the members of the world who have a different interpretation of the bible? We are not to cast our pearls before swine as they trample them and look to rear us into pieces. Matt 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
6. Some create idols of the heart by using the excuse 'well, I'm still learning' to post heresy after heresy. The are not well learned in the teachings of Ray and neither do they want to be. They want to continue to hold on to false beliefs from the church with a death grip which is exactly what it is. 2 Tim 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 2 Tim 3:8-9 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.
7. Others just flat out don't believe the scriptures and Ray's teachings when presented to them. They believe their own personal 'understanding' supercedes all. Matt 13:11-12 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Isa 30:10 Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:
2 John 1:10-11 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
These verses are very plain...we are not to put up with this carnality at the expense of portraying a 'lovey-dovey' forum. We are not to speak 'smooth things' to tickle the ears of those who continue to resist the spirit and dwell in the flesh.
Thanks,
Marques
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Hello Rodger, my brother in Christ.
I have let this thread go but on the contrary I see you have not Rodger. If you agree with Marques that is fine with me.
If you agree with Marques on these laws he has set fourth for all to adhere to them obey them.
If you believe everyone is at the same spiritual level as you and Marques your are both greatly deceived.
If I were thinking about becoming a member on this forum and read what Marques wrote on reply # four of this thread I would still be in Babylon.
Lord knows brother Marques needs your help in trying to sell this sort of stuff.
God bless you both and have a wonderful evening and a good day. :)
Your friend and brother in Christ, Richard.
rk12201960:
Darren bro,
Talk to your Father and ask Him.
You won't find what you're looking for in the eyes or minds of humans.
This is your relationship with God,
draw close to Him and He will comfort you.
Peace and understanding
Randy
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