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"The Kiss Of Death"
Ninny:
Ok, now I understand what you were talking about. A person can pretend and sometimes it's hard to discern whether that person is sincere. Usually, though their actions will reveal the true nature of it. So let's say that someone was desperate for acceptance or whatever, one of these insincere persons comes along and PRETENDS to be Christ-like thereby snaring that one with deception. We do have to guard against gullibility, you know test the spirits and such, huh?
I guess people can pretend to be anything they want to, actors do it all the time!
I understand what George was saying, too. You can't pretend to be someone you don't even know. Well, yeah you can, but sooner or later you will mess up! Your true motives will eventually surface because that is human nature.
Kathy
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Ninny on November 25, 2008, 11:23:49 AM ---Ok, now I understand what you were talking about. A person can pretend and sometimes it's hard to discern whether that person is sincere. Usually, though their actions will reveal the true nature of it. So let's say that someone was desperate for acceptance or whatever, one of these insincere persons comes along and PRETENDS to be Christ-like thereby snaring that one with deception. We do have to guard against gullibility, you know test the spirits and such, huh?
I guess people can pretend to be anything they want to, actors do it all the time!
I understand what George was saying, too. You can't pretend to be someone you don't even know. Well, yeah you can, but sooner or later you will mess up! Your true motives will eventually surface because that is human nature.
Kathy
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Exactly! :D
Marques
aqrinc:
I have tried to discuss in private to no avail (you refused) so moderaters please take my comments in the spirit of Truth.
When one appoints themselves as inquisiter at least get the facts and intent right before judging.
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--- Quote from: Ninny on November 25, 2008, 10:53:07 AM ---Marques,
How do Ray's teaching not line up with the scriptures that George posted? If you can not love your neighbor, how can you be His? Jesus knew that Judas was giving him the "kiss of death" and we are to beware of the wolves in sheep's clothing. I don't think any of us are trying to contradict what Ray teaches, why would we be here lifting each other up and saying how we agree with Ray and being so thankful for the light he has brought to us?
He said not to be afraid to hug and kiss, he said to watch out for phony displays of pious emotions, he didn't say don't show love at all! If I am guilty of "using this emotional charade to deceive those I wish to impress" God will surely judge me on that and if it appears to be that to you, I apologize for the offense. God wants us to be kind so I hope I have been kind in this reply to you.
Kathy
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Contradiction cited:
--- Quote from: L. Ray Smith ---What must we learn from all this? Whenever we pretend to be Christ-like but it’s all a charade, we too are guilty of giving Christ a Judas kiss of death. What a disgusting display of the carnal mind and flesh, Judas has left us.
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--- Quote from: aqr on November 25, 2008, 12:39:41 AM ---It is not possible to pretend if you do not even know what the Object of your pretension really is. How can a
person pretend to be Christ like if they do not know Christ.
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Marques
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If you see contradiction there then you are indeed scratching for worms in a rock. (Isn't pretending to be Christ Like a Charade) I would not say that i am pretending to be Christ Like rather I am learning to Be Christ Like. So where is the charade. We would do well to stop this foolishness of lashing out without first contemplating what is written. You young man are zealous and fiery; but be also temperate and humble in the presence of Our Lord Jesus Christ. I do not seek to win an argument but to be ready for whatever GOD calls me to do even when it is painful physically and Spiritually. You have no idea the pain it is causing right now to do this, please contemplate before answering and Pray that the ones who need our support most have to try to figure this out in public.
The Lord Know's my thoughts and He Will Judge; read The Romans Epistle especially here:
Romans: Chapter 12
1-I beseech you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God,
which is your reasonable service.
2-And be not conformed to this world: but be you transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good,
and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
3-For I say, through the grace given to me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think;
but to think soberly, according as God has dealt to every man the measure of faith.
4-For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
5-So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
6-Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
7-Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teaches, on teaching;
8-Or he that exhorts, on exhortation: he that gives, let him do it with simplicity; he that rules, with diligence; he that shows mercy,
with cheerfulness.
9-Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; hold to that which is good.
10-Be kindly affectionate one to another with brotherly love; in honor preferring one another;
11-Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;
12-Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;
13-Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality.
14-Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.
15-Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.
16-Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.
17-Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.
18-If it be possible, as much as lies in you, live peaceably with all men.
19-Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place to wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, said the Lord.
20-Therefore if your enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing you shall heap coals of fire on his head.
21-Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.
george.
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: aqr on November 25, 2008, 01:00:57 PM ---
Then say nothing Marques, i did not solicit and do not need your response.
Thanks, george.
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George, I was wrong. I missed your point and wronged you in my response. This was my screw up and no one else's. I am sorry.
Marques
aqrinc:
Marques
To bring this to closure let us all remember, i was just as wrong to not clearly explain what was the intent of my words. For
this i sincerely apologise for causing confusion, Marques do not retreat for fear of offending; rather then be just as zealous
but with some temperance and humility that we may all gain and grow in The Faith Through The Grace Of GOD.
Love Peace and Faith Brother, :)
george. ;D
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