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Falconn003:
It may very well be that, ENTERING the Sabbath and the Day of the Lord are one and the same ...... not to leave anything to speculation ..... i leave Ray to write an article on it.

til then

Rodger

Ricky:
Hello, I have always believed, at least to me, that, comes like a thief in the night, means, and this is just for me to believe, since the Lord gave everyone life, He can also take it. at any time because you do not know the day or hour, would be just like a thief in the night. If you or me were to die of a heart attack right now, we would immediately wake up standing before the Lord sometime in the future, and to me that would be the day of the Lord. Can anyone here see this being possibly.
             Bless you all       Ricky

jeetkunejimi:
A theif as I understand it is someone that takes away the things that we all would hold precious, material posessions, money, carnal averice,while you are sleeping. A thief doesn't usually want your toaster or your kettle, he want's the things that are of most value, gold,silver,diamonds. Spiritually speaking I believe this can be reprisentative of the things we still hold in our hearts and minds that are Anti-Christ as no one has overcome yet or is without sin.

So when Christ comes in the night to take what a theif would take, be not afraid, as what Christ comes to steal, his Father, our Father gave us in the first place(Isaiah 45:7), and needs to be stolen away from us, it needs to be taken by the only one who can touch it with out being tainted by it. And we need to let it go, just like the rich young ruler needed to.

I feel we need to be more ready and humble to let the things Christ wants to take from us(carnality & false indoctrinations) as he seperates the wheat from the chaff within each of us and the goats from the sheep within each of us until there is only the good left as we see in Christ are immortal elder brother.Amen.

Hope there's something of use for your spirit in what I've said my from my spirit, so the Holy Spirit of God can teach us both further.

Ricky:
What I was leading at is, this verse could mean to be spiritually ready for His return, and not be sleeping. I was not taught this by any church or anyone, this is coming from me as to the way I see certain verses. What happen s at night, you sleep, sleep in the bible means death. If you can see this the way I see it you would understand what I mean.
      Ricky

Deborah-Leigh:
Some points to ponder from:

http://bible-truths.com/rapture.htm

"... the day of the Lord is as a thief in the night ... you brethren, are not in darkness, that the day [of the Lord] may be overtaking you as a thief"
Why complicate something so simple?…………… Why does this day not overtake the Thessalonians as a thief? Does this Scripture tell us that the reason it doesn’t overtake them is because it doesn’t even come as a thief in the first place? Where do these Scriptures say or even suggest such a thing?
This Scripture plainly tells us why this day doesn’t overtaken the Thessalonians as a thief. The reason this day (which does come as a thief--verse 4), but does not overtake them as a thief, is because, "... you brethren are not in DARKNESS ..."
However, if the Thessalonians were in darkness, then the day of verse 4 would overtake them as a thief! It could not overtake them or anyone else if it didn’t come as a thief in the first place! There it is. It is not whether or not the Thessalonians are in darkness or not that determines whether the day comes as a thief or not. No, it does come as a thief.. The point Paul is making is that it does not overtake them as a thief, and the reason it doesn’t is plainly given: "... you brethren, are NOT in darkness ..." 
Whether the Thessalonians are in darkness or not in darkness is not the determining factor as to whether or not the second mention of the day in verse 4, comes as a thief or does not come as a thief. The element of "a thief" is already clearly stated in both verses. Let’s read them:
"... the day of the Lord is as a thief ..." (I Thes. 5:2).
"... that the day may be overtaking you as a thief ..." (I Thes. 5:4).

PROOF FOR WHEN THE DAY OF THE LORD WILL COME
Let us be clear, that the "day of the Lord" is the time period of Christ’s return to this earth to punish Babylon the Great and to pour out His righteous indignation on her (and on those nations who follow and worship her) for her evil crimes of inhumanity and blasphemy. Here is the order of events (Mat. 24:29-30). It’s as simple as one, two, three:
1.   "Immediately AFTER the affliction [great affliction, or great tribulation--ver. 29], of those days ...
2.   "... the sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not be giving her beams, and the stars shall be falling from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken ...
3.   "And THEN shall appear the sign of the Son of Mankind in heaven, and then all the tribes of the land shall grieve, and they shall see the Son of Mankind coming on the clouds of heaven with power and much glory."
The "day of the Lord," the day that the Lord comes, clearly is "after" the great affliction, and "after" the heavenly signs. The book of Joel gives us a second confirmation:
"Alas! Alas! Alas for the day! For near is the DAY OF THE LORD.
And as devastation from Him Who-Suffices is it coming" (Joel 1:15).
"For coming is the DAY OF THE LORD! A day of darkness and gloominess. A day of clouds and murkiness" (Joel 2:2).
"The heavens quake, The sun and the moon are somber, and the stars gather in their brightness ... before His army [Rev. 19:11] (Joel 2:10) ...
"And He will spare His people" (2:18).
"And I will give MIRACLES IN THE HEAVENS above, And signs on the earth, Blood and fire and pillars of smoke, The sun shall be turned to darkness, And the moon to blood (2:30-31), BEFORE the coming of the DAY OF THE LORD, the great and fearful day" (2:30-31).
So we have this event neatly book-ended with references to the "great affliction" and the "heavenly signs." Matt. 24:29 clearly tells us that "immediately AFTER" the great affliction or tribulation of those days, the signs in the sun, moon and stars occur, followed by the return of Christ--the day of the Lord. And Joel 2:31 clearly tells us that the signs in the heavens occur "BEFORE" the coming of the day of the Lord. As to the chronology of these grand events, there can be no honest dispute--the day of the Lord does not include the great tribulation, but comes after the great tribulation, and after the heavenly signs.
We have already shown in Scripture that the great tribulation ends at our Lord’s advent, it does not begin. Nor is the tribulation ushered in, as a thief, three and one half years earlier or seven years earlier. It is our Lord’s "coming" that is as a thief, not "tribulation." "Gloominess" and "darkness" during the time of the day of the Lord is not the main aspect of the figure of a thief or even a minor aspect of this figure of a thief. The Bible tells us plainly what the figure represents. It is representative of "when He comes" -- "His coming"! Nothing else.
"Darkness and gloom" is not being compared with "a thief in the night," at all. The world is in darkness and gloom, but the actual "coming" of our Lord is in no way analogous to "gloom and darkness." How can anyone even suggest that the Lord’s coming as a thief is comparable to night, darkness, or gloom, when the Scriptures plainly tell us that,
"... even as the lightning is coming out from the east and is appearing as far as the west, thus shall be the PRESENCE of the Son of Mankind" (Matt. 24:27).
Nothing is as bright as lightning--not even the sun. No one will know when our Lord comes, but when He appears, everyone on earth will know!
"... then all the tribes of the land shall grieve, and they shall see the Son of Mankind coming on the clouds of heaven with power and much GLORY"! (Mat. 24:30).
"Power," "Glory," and "LIGHTNING" have no fellowship with "darkness," "evil" and "gloom"!
Furthermore, the fact that Christ is coming "as" "a thief in the night" has absolutely nothing to do with either an actual thief or actual night time. And, likewise, it has nothing to do with negativism. This is figurative language. This is not to be taken literally. Let us be clear, that Jesus Christ is not coming as a thief, to steal! And He is not coming at night so that no one can see Him coming (the aspect of His coming as "lightning" should dispel any such idea). ……

"For whoever are baptized into Christ, put on Christ, in Whom there is NO Jew NOR yet Greek, there is NO slave NOR yet free, there is NO male and female, for you ALL ARE ONE IN CHRIST JESUS. Now if you are Christ’s, consequently you are of Abraham’s seed, enjoyers of the allotment [singular--not two different allotments] according to the promise [singular]" (Rom. 3:27-29)! This includes Peter and Paul, Jews and Gentles, and ALL THOSE WHO LOVE HIS APPEARING!

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