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Lake of Fire...Num 31:21
hillsbororiver:
Hi Earl,
I used to believe as you did in regard to the physical Sabbath, I didn't keep it very often or very successfully but I did believe that the 7th Day was significant and was still in effect, now I see it as a shadow of what was to come, our rest is in Christ, He is our Sabbath, the Lord of the Sabbath!
Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Here is an email to Ray from a while back, Ray's comments are in red;
I absolutely agree with you on almost everything!, but I’d like to know how you can get past the Sabbath?
How do you spiritualize away the Sabbath?
COMMENT: I do NOT "spiritual away the Sabbath." Besides, if something is "spiritualized" it will not go away, seeing that the natural is temporary, but the spiritual is lasting (II Cor. 4:18).
How do you spiritually do all your work in six days and spiritually rest on the seventh?
COMMENT: Your statements proves that you do not understand the "spiritual rest" of the Sabbath day at all. The Sabbath pictures rest (actually and literally to "stop working"). What good is the physical sabbath for people who NEVER stop working. Not only do they do their "works of the law" during the week, but they actually do their "works of the law" on the Sabbath which pictures them STOPPING THEIR OWN WORKS! When you do you "work of the law" by KEEPING the physical Sabbath, you BREAK the spirit of the Sabbath which is to STOP YOUR WORKING AND LET GOD WORK IN YOU.
Therefore, when people as me if I keep the Sabbath I always answer by saying, "YES, EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK." As long as you are doing YOUR work on the Sabbath, you will never "ENTER INTO GOD'S REST" (Heb. 4).
I believe the LUNAR SABBATH should be kept.
COMMENT: You are not alone, Johan. Paul had many people who rejected the Gospel by being the same thing: "Ye observe days and months [month means MOON], and times, and years (Gal. 4:10). Paul could no more persuade them in his day to give up the physical and obey the spiritual (John 6:63), than I am able today. If people can't DO SOMETHING PHYSICAL THEY DON'T FEEL SPIRITUAL. That's just the way it is. "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the NEW MOON [as you are now trying to instruct me as necessary], or of the SABBATH DAYS [as you are also accusing me of 'spiritualizing away the Sabbath']" (Col. 2:16).
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Peace,
Joe
Falconn003:
Joe thnx for your reply, as i kind bowed out of this thread.
And this is what like minds of Spirit are in agreement.
It is the uncertainty of the carnal mind that questions everthing into oblivion. ;D
Thnx for your explaination Earl, and hope to discuss other insights with you and everyone else on future threads :)
Rodger
Samson:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on December 08, 2008, 12:59:43 PM ---Hi Earl,
I used to believe as you did in regard to the physical Sabbath, I didn't keep it very often or very successfully but I did believe that the 7th Day was significant and was still in effect, now I see it as a shadow of what was to come, our rest is in Christ, He is our Sabbath, the Lord of the Sabbath!
Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Hello Joe,
Thankyou for providing that Email response by Ray regarding the Sabbath showing the distinction
the Physical and the Spiritual application of the Sabbath. That reaffirms my previous understanding,
but more importantly presents a simplicity in the way it was explained to that Emailer.
Thanks Again, Samson.
Here is an email to Ray from a while back, Ray's comments are in red;
I absolutely agree with you on almost everything!, but I’d like to know how you can get past the Sabbath?
How do you spiritualize away the Sabbath?
COMMENT: I do NOT "spiritual away the Sabbath." Besides, if something is "spiritualized" it will not go away, seeing that the natural is temporary, but the spiritual is lasting (II Cor. 4:18).
How do you spiritually do all your work in six days and spiritually rest on the seventh?
COMMENT: Your statements proves that you do not understand the "spiritual rest" of the Sabbath day at all. The Sabbath pictures rest (actually and literally to "stop working"). What good is the physical sabbath for people who NEVER stop working. Not only do they do their "works of the law" during the week, but they actually do their "works of the law" on the Sabbath which pictures them STOPPING THEIR OWN WORKS! When you do you "work of the law" by KEEPING the physical Sabbath, you BREAK the spirit of the Sabbath which is to STOP YOUR WORKING AND LET GOD WORK IN YOU.
Therefore, when people as me if I keep the Sabbath I always answer by saying, "YES, EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK." As long as you are doing YOUR work on the Sabbath, you will never "ENTER INTO GOD'S REST" (Heb. 4).
I believe the LUNAR SABBATH should be kept.
COMMENT: You are not alone, Johan. Paul had many people who rejected the Gospel by being the same thing: "Ye observe days and months [month means MOON], and times, and years (Gal. 4:10). Paul could no more persuade them in his day to give up the physical and obey the spiritual (John 6:63), than I am able today. If people can't DO SOMETHING PHYSICAL THEY DON'T FEEL SPIRITUAL. That's just the way it is. "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the NEW MOON [as you are now trying to instruct me as necessary], or of the SABBATH DAYS [as you are also accusing me of 'spiritualizing away the Sabbath']" (Col. 2:16).
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4974.0.html
Peace,
Joe
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Akira329:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on December 08, 2008, 08:13:30 AM ---
--- Quote from: Akira329 on December 07, 2008, 03:45:50 PM ---
Lev 14:49 And he shall take to cleanse the house two birds, and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop:
Lev 14:50 And he shall kill the one of the birds in an earthen vessel over running water:
Lev 14:51 And he shall take the cedar wood, and the hyssop, and the scarlet, and the living bird, and dip them in the blood of the slain bird, and in the running water, and sprinkle the house seven times:
Lev 14:52 And he shall cleanse the house with the blood of the bird, and with the running water, and with the living bird, and with the cedar wood, and with the hyssop, and with the scarlet:
Lev 14:53 But he shall let go the living bird out of the city into the open fields, and make an atonement for the house: and it shall be clean.
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I could not help but notice that there are quite a few words here that would show the above verses to be not only Mosaic/Priest Laws but more importantly a prophecy of Jesus Christ and the work He would perform.
Check this out;
Mat 27:28 And they stripped him, and put on him a scarlet robe.
Joh 1:32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove and it abode upon him.
Joh 19:29 Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a sponge with vinegar and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth.
Isn't the leprosy being cured/healed be true on a spiritual level as well? The cleansing first of certain individuals and ultimately the church as well?
Just some thoughts that occurred to me as I read this.
Peace,
Joe
P.S. As a sidenote I wonder if Lev 14:52 is telling us that the cross was cedar? I know the type of wood used has been debated for centuries and it is certainly not as important as what the cross represents and accomplished.
--- End quote ---
Great post Joe,
There are so many symbols in law that point to Christ. I'm glad they all represent Christ!!
I remember Marques told me he would like to list them all.
What an exhaustive task!!
There is so much wisdom in the use of figures of speech, God is wise indeed.
I agree Samson, Great email response by Ray
Antaiwan
Linny:
I just wanted to add my two cents worth here.
For all of you guys that are relatively new to all of this, I don't want to step on your convictions.
I know it feels like that sometimes. :-\
For me, I understand convictions. I have had SO many over the 18 years I've been a Christ follower. I don't doubt for a moment that my past convictions were from the Lord even though I may not hold them any longer. I also know that He will continue to mold me as He sees fit in the timing that He knows is best for me. He grows us all at a different pace and reveals things to us at different times. It is part of our uniqueness and it all fits into His plan.
I disagree with someone who posted once recently that if your eyes are not open to BT truths then you aren't walking with the Spirit. I have only had my eyes opened to these wonderful truths for less than a year but the Spirit of God has been directing my steps and ALL OVER our lives for long before He opened my eyes to these truths.
Now I also have a different understanding of what the Sabbath is (like Joe's and Samson's and Rodger's) and I have a different understanding of a lot of things now that I used to take literally and physically but now see with Spiritual eyes.
I think that once you really get into Ray's work and see just how the Bible is an entire book about Jesus and is a reflection of Him all the way through the Old to the New, you too will find your convictions changing and reshaping and becoming new and better.
Hope I didn't sound uppity. I certainly am not. Just growing with everyone else here in GOD's TIMING and not my own...
Blessings, Lin
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