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[Craig]

Scary how quickly people can be manipulated.  But for the grace of God.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/11/25/sbm.perpetrators/index.html

Craig

[Ninny]

Scary? No that is is bone chilling! It just makes you sick to think how that can happen!
Kathy

[Patrick]

Quote from the article;
"You don't have to be mentally ill or even innately evil or criminal. You can be ordinary, no better or worse than you or me, and commit killing or genocide," said Harvard psychiatrist Robert Lifton, who has studied Nazi doctors.
"The truth is that we all have the possibility for genocidal behavior."


Amen on the "but for the Grace of God".

[OBrenda]

This is the evil that men do when they don't understand we are all one!   

Universal Salvation cripples the christian thinking that others are worthless to God!

Colossians 3:11
In him there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave, or free person. Instead, the Messiah is all and in all.  Therefore, as God's chosen ones, holy and loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience.  Be tolerant of one another and forgive each other if anyone has a complaint against another. Just as the Lord has forgiven you, you also should forgive.

................................................................................

Galatians 3:28
Because all of you are one in the Messiah Jesus, a person is no longer a Jew or a Greek, a slave or a free person, a male or a female.
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[Stevernator]

"We all have the possibility for genocidal behavior," said Harvard psychiatrist Robert Lifton.

That quote is amazing and lines up with scripture I believe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

There was a psychologist who did an experiment where he would order the human subject to press a button to shock a participant who said the wrong answers. While no one was really shocked, the researcher convinced the subject pressing the buttons that someone was being shocked from the button presses. So the person would hear a noise and think he/she was shocking someone. The researcher thought that the subject would refuse to press the button at a certain voltage. He was surprised to find out that many of them would keep pressing to a very high level that he thought only psychopaths would go to. It showed the willingness of people to compromise their morals in order to obey authorities.

"Milgram summarized the experiment in his 1974 article, "The Perils of Obedience", writing:

The legal and philosophic aspects of obedience are of enormous importance, but they say very little about how most people behave in concrete situations. I set up a simple experiment at Yale University to test how much pain an ordinary citizen would inflict on another person simply because he was ordered to by an experimental scientist. Stark authority was pitted against the subjects' [participants'] strongest moral imperatives against hurting others, and, with the subjects' [participants'] ears ringing with the screams of the victims, authority won more often than not. The extreme willingness of adults to go to almost any lengths on the command of an authority constitutes the chief finding of the study and the fact most urgently demanding explanation.

Ordinary people, simply doing their jobs, and without any particular hostility on their part, can become agents in a terrible destructive process. Moreover, even when the destructive effects of their work become patently clear, and they are asked to carry out actions incompatible with fundamental standards of morality, relatively few people have the resources needed to resist authority.[4]"

[aqrinc]

Hi Brenda,

You said and quoted it all for me.

george.

This is the evil that men do when they don't understand we are all one!  

Universal Salvation cripples the christian thinking that others are worthless to God!

Colossians 3:11
In him there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave, or free person. Instead, the Messiah is all and in all.  Therefore, as God's chosen ones, holy and loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience.  Be tolerant of one another and forgive each other if anyone has a complaint against another. Just as the Lord has forgiven you, you also should forgive.

................................................................................

Galatians 3:28
Because all of you are one in the Messiah Jesus, a person is no longer a Jew or a Greek, a slave or a free person, a male or a female.
................................................................................

[Marlene]

Amen to that Brenda!!  To think that people make out God to be worse then those men.  I am like Ray how could you think about that very long and not go crazy. It gives me chills to think how Pastors can teach that. I never have liked scary movies.

In His Love
Marlene

[Samson]

Brenda & others,

                        Very horrific and sad, but fact regarding genicidal behavior. Hopefully through
                        Gods help when confronted with being obedient to the Superior Authorities(Romans 13)
                        in conflict with obeying God, we respond like the Apostles, " We must obey God as
                        ruler, rather than Men." Acts. 5:29

                        Although not as severe as whats presented in that Link regarding genocide, recently in
                        a Nassau County, New York Mall, a group of Black Friday shoppers stormed into the Mall
                        right before 5 am and trampled a part time employee killing him and injuring others,
                        including a pregnant Women. Many of the shoppers continued to shop for bargains
                        after being ordered to leave the area, showing no remorse for the actions that led
                        to someones death, all because of there strong greedy desires.


                                              Kind Regards, Samson.


                                         
                       

[Deborah-Leigh]

That article reminds me of the beast and how it can manifest itself.  This quote

"They give up a sense of personal accountability and diffuse responsibility to the leader."

made me think of Religion.  Worshiping God in Spirit and in Truth is not Religion and Religion is not worshiping God either in Spirit or in Truth.

http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3709.0.html

God frames evil, you know what it is when you put a frame around something,  you know frame it.  He frames evil, so it won’t go totally out of control.  What appears to be out of control today in the world, is actually framed.  God knows how far it’s going.  Nothing is out of control.


Arc