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Dennis Vogel:
Hello Ray,

        Exposing Christians with an unchrist like approach in dealing with homosexuality, that is the subject of this e-mail.  First of all, let me say that anyone who claims they know the "deep things" of God, his will, his feelings, his plans for humanity, beyond what is shown to us in the Scriptures is insane.  There is no way I can know all the things of God that I wish to one day know, beyond what is written, and so at the end of the day, I can only have faith in God's love, and mercy for me.

Now to the point.  Speaking to some so-called "Christian" friends of mine over the weekend, I once again saw just how Satan operates in most of Christianity.  These friends, who have friends who are openly homosexual, told me that the parents of these homosexual friends were kick out of their parents home, and left with no place to go.  The reason behind this act of hatred was simple.  Their parents are Christians and believed it was their "spiritual obligation" to rid their house of this evil.  The kid who I am referring to now lives with another friend, and has shelter and food.  The damage however is done, the kid now speaks out against his parents with animus, and hatred, and how could anyone blame him.  He feels betrayed by his own blood, and was indeed betrayed by his own blood.  The most disturbing part of this Satanic turn of events over the weekend is this; my "friends" (although they are not really friends but co workers, who I get together with occasionally) said they agreed with the parents actions.  One told me that homosexuality was against her religious beliefs, and if she had a child who was homosexual, she would too kick him out of her house.

By the way I can't even imagine what you must be saying in your head when you see how long my e-mails to you are.  Back to the e-mail.  The question behind all this is what scripture can I show them to help them understand how God does indeed operate in all.  That if God knew the hairs on your head, he certainly knew who would be homosexual, or not, that God loves all, and I remember you saying that Paul said that those who don't take care of their own family were worse than infidels.  Of Course the Bible is clear on this matter.  It is against the way God instructed us to live our lives for a man to share an interment relationship with another man.  But the parents should have prayed for him, and loved him unconditionally, regardless of what sin he carries.  Jesus instructed us to love our enemies.  When an enemy is captured on the battlefield, he is given food, water, and shelter.  They striped THEIR OWN CHILD of these things .  You don't see the tears coming down my eyes, but their there.  It is when I see these things, that I understand not to underestimate the craftiness of Satan.

Your brother,

Billy ...


Dear Billy:

I receive many emails regarding sex, divorce and remarraige, homosexuality, etc. The one thing that they all have in common when them write me is that they all LEAVE OUT ALL pertinent information, like HOW OLD IS THIS CHILD?  Is he TEN or is he TWENTY?  I naturally feel that all such emails do not want me to know all the facts, for then my answer may be a little less than what they are hoping for.

Ray

zander:
Surely Ray, is not condoning this evil?  That was a very sad email.

hillsbororiver:
Condoning? I don't think he is condoning anything, there are not enough facts or critical information to make a valid judgement or even opinion.

Like Ray asked, how old is this "child," what prompted the action by the parents? Were overt "activities" being done in the home?

If you had a son or daughter 21 or 25 years old living in your house would you allow them to do whatever they pleased? Would different sex partners be allowed to spend nights? How about drug use, smoking crack or shooting heroin with friends in the basement be ok? How about a theft ring of unemployed friends storing their goods in the garage?

My point (and I believe Ray's as well) is that we don't have enough information even to make a suggestion.

Just my take,

Joe

mike:
is that the only sin that warrants the boot?

shibboleth:
Proverbs 18:17 The first to plead his case seems just, until another comes and examines him.
There are two sides to every story. Unfortunately we are not given enough information to make a decision. I believe Ray is showing wisdom in answering as he did.
I could ask a few questions of my own. Was this young man told he couldn't bring his men friends home and did he? Was he rude and disrespecful to his parents? Was he lazy and didn't want to work and just lived off his family?
I know Ray doesn't approve of homosexuality, or any other sin, for that matter.
When my Mom and Dad were getting a divorce, I remember how this proverb from Pr.18 would be so true. My Dad would tell me all the terrible things he could think of about my Mom and my Mom would do the same about my Dad. I finally told them I loved them both and hated being in the middle of their arguments. They both quit doing it. But I never saw either one of them as bad as they saw each other.
Having all the facts is the only way to answer a question like this one.

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