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Sorin:
Hi guys, it's been a long time. I have a question for you though.
Ray teaches that there is no "Trinity" and that "God The Father" is not Jesus. But then how do you explain this scripture.
Isaiah 9:6 -- For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Is it just a bad translation? It seems as though it IS referring to Jesus as "God The Father".
EKnight:
I could be wrong, and I haven't dwelled on it too much because the trinity was never of much importance to me, but I thought Ray said that God and Jesus were one but the Holy Spirit was excluded. That the Holy Spirit is OF God but not God. Also it was explained to me here that God is a "title" of which Jesus possessed.
Sorry if this is completely wrong or if my response only served to further confuse you.
Eileen
DizzyD:
Hi Sorin,
At this time i do not have the answer to your question, i am sure someone will have an answer for you before i can dig it up. In the meantime i have the question:
Why these words from Jn 20:17- Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. straight of of the Saviours mouth are in doubt? Or i guess they just don't what they say.
i may be wrong but i believe somewhere in Rays' papers he makes the statement that these manmade doctrines have to support each other.
If you look closely at the scriptures and find the correct translations then the man made doctrine is the one that doesn't sense. Then that is what causes the confusion is holding onto the man made doctrine and believing the doctrine instead of the scriptures.
Love in Christ
Bud
Dennis Vogel:
(CLV) For a Boy is born to us; a Son is given to us, and the chieftainship shall come to be on His shoulder, and His name is called "Marvelous.Counsel to the master shall He bring, to the chief of the future, welfare."
(JPS) (9:5) For a child is born unto us, a son is given unto us; and the government is upon his shoulder; and his name is called Pele- joez-el-gibbor-Abi-ad-sar-shalom;
(KJV) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
(Rotherham) For, A Child, hath been born to us, A Son, hath been given to us, And the dominion is upon his shoulder,—And his Name hath been called Wonderful Counsellor, Mighty GOD, Father of Futurity, Prince of Prosperity.
OBrenda:
--- Quote from: Sorin on December 21, 2008, 03:58:05 PM ---Hi guys, it's been a long time. I have a question for you though.
Ray teaches that there is no "Trinity" and that "God The Father" is not Jesus. But then how do you explain this scripture.
Isaiah 9:6 -- For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Is it just a bad translation? It seems as though it IS referring to Jesus as "God The Father".
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Hey Sorin Welcome Back....Please "PM" Samson.....He has missed You!
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Brenda
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