Hello everyone, long time listener.
I am in a lengthy discussion with fellow believers who use the Quran as a qualifier of the Bible. They are not Muslims, they are not of Islam, but Christians who have left the Church and use the Quran as a confirmation of the Bible. I am told that the Bible was changed throughout to lend credence to the Trinity to pervert belief in Christ, raising him as equal with God and usurping worship from our one true God. Their claim lies with the Council of Nicea and following Councils, the interpretation of the Comforter, and a prophecy about the 'Final Testament' being hidden, as well as Christ being unsuitable for a sacrifice.
Now I understand that the Council of Nicea was to come to consensus about the teachings of Arianism, as well as inserted passages at a later Council to support the false Trinity. So I am befuddled how they come to this conclusion that the Council(s) changed the Bible to such an extent that it required a 'Final Testament' from Muhammed.
The basis I use to educate them (if they have ears to hear) is the Scripture itself. On the Comforter I am told in letters:
John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever"
John 15:26 "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me"
John 14:26 "But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."
John 16:7-14 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you."
They believe the Comforter is Muhammed, who was given direction by an Angel, hence the hidden scroll.
I pointed out that John 14:18 specifically states: "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come for you." So in later chapters when Jesus uses the pronoun 'he', I believe He is speaking of the Holy Spirit that is able to come after His final sacrifice. This initial discussion of the Comforter laid the groundwork to me, which supported His words in following chapters. (I try to validate Scripture by finding reinforcement in other Scriptures. If I am doing this wrong I would humbly appreciate any lessons in understanding God's will.)
As for the final sacrifice, the Quran tells them that Christ was another Prophet, He did not die on the cross but was taken into Heaven by God. They tell me the crucifixion and following 3 day resurrection was to fit the Bible into the Luciferian worship of the sun god and venus, (hence the dates for Christmas since this was the day when the sun 'hovered' in the sky on the horizon for 3 days before rising again.) Though I do believe the Trinity was instilled to give worship to Nimrod, his wife, and his son, (which in turn is worship unto Satan), I continually find reference in Scripture that validates the crucifixion as the beginning of the New Covenenant! Without which the Gentiles would be unable to enter into the Kingdom of God, for Christ died to save all mankind, not just the Jews. (Which is why I believe we are called Jews of Spirit, correct?) I am told that the Son of God was like David before, also begotten of God. (Psalm 2:7 is used to show that David is begotten of God.) However I show that David was created as a result of earthbound copulation, and not created by God's will by virgin birth.
The prophecy that foretells of their final testament I am told is found in Isaiah 29:11-12. "And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot for it is sealed: And the book is delievered to him that is not learned saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned." I read the whole chapter and interpreted it as a prophecy for the times we are in now. Where people thirst for the Word of God, but are unable to find it due to the complicity of the Church and their reliance on the traditions of men; the Word is sealed to those that are learned, and the unlearned know not how to divine His will because they do not know the way to God, and therefore have not the Holy Spirit to guide them. Am I wrong in this interpretation?
I pray before Bible study and ask that the Spirit fill me to help me on my path, yet I know I am only a man and humbly seek guidance from those who have walked further with Him. Any insight would be appreciated, as well as Scripture to help me study and learn.
I feel I am nearing a point where I cease all discussion with these individuals. I respect their desire to know God, yet their denial of Christ and His sacrifice have me wondering if the Great Deceiver has found another path to draw believers away from God. Knowing the horrific life of Muhammed only reinforces that feeling. Yet if I am wrong, for I am not full of hubris to think I am correct, then I look forward to Scripture that will assist me on the path of righteousness.
I look forward to any replies. May God bless you and yours.
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Topic: The Comforter, The Bible, and The Quran (Read 7613 times)