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aqrinc:
Hi Arc,
You write it so much better than i can express, yes after over 40 years the Scriptures are now
my life. Of course my wife thinks Ray has me hoodwinked even when we read direct for the Bible.
But she listens and every so often her language is shifting by little bits and pieces away from
Hagee and Meyers and O'steen. I know all will be done in God's timing but it is so very difficult to
wait sometimes. That is where longsuffering and patience has to be developed i know.
Anyway enough of my complaining, good to see you out there.
george. ;D
Deborah-Leigh:
Gods Words are Spirit and Truth. The Devils words are literal lies and point to works not to living by faith.
Taking up your cross and following Christ is NOT a feel good path. It is a path of suffering, intense suffering, trials and much tribulation through which we enter the Kingdom of God. This is not what you will hear in that Church but you will see and hear it in The Church that God is making into His Temple.
There are two kinds of Church "The" church vs. "My" Church ref LOF Part V111. "The" Church of feel good intentions is not Christs Church of learning obedience through suffering. I too enjoyed daily communion in the Catholic Church but got dragged out and am still learning obedience. No one has got it perfect yet except Christ Jesus who is our Faith and assurance.
The path is not easy because trials and tribulations do not feel good but they result in glorious rewards Heb 12 : 11 For the time being no discipline brings joy, but seems grievous and painful: but after wards it yields a peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
Arc
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote from: judith collier on January 04, 2009, 12:16:25 AM ---Got a question. What do you guys do as far as receiving the physical communion (bread and wine) There was never anything that made me FEEL closer to our Lord than going to receive the body and blood and He did say "do this in remembrance of me" Thanks
--- End quote ---
Hi Judith,
We do not do anything physical. You are right in emphasizing "FEEL" because that's what it is, a feeling, an emotion.
The church uses emotion to create feelings which put you in a mood that more easily allows them to exploit you.
Music is the best example. Many churches start out with upbeat songs and then slowly morph into slow emotional songs designed to put you in the mood to give.
I've been to many movies that made me very emotional but I did not confuse that deliberate attempt by the movie makers to make me emotional with personal a visit from God because I knew better.
The church uses the physical in a deliberate attempt to make you emotional, but the sheep have no clue.
Dennis
Phil3:10:
Dennis, Arc, Judith and all others,
My wife, and two precious grandchildren, are in a Baptist church right now as I have spent my Sunday morning in this forum and in HIS word. I have reached the point that I cannot attend a Babylonian church service as the untruths and attempts to emotionally attract uninformed attendees makes me sick all over. It would be so much easier to just go and attempt to ignore the untruths but I have reached the point that even attending a funeral is very difficult. I know that I have been completely called out of the Babylonian Church System. Thanks be to GOD!
CHRIST did not desire a church or religion, HE just asks that we love, obey, and worship in spirit and in truth the ONE who is EVERYTHING.
The Babylonian Church System worships doctrine and man's traditions. How wonderful it is to know that GOD has me where HE wants me right now and that I do not have a burden to attempt to win others. HE wills, HE calls, and HE does all that HE wills.
Just writing this badly worded reply brings me closer to HIM that is ALL than I ever came to HIM within the Babylonian System. I do think HE will someday call all out of this system and I praise HIM for calling me out. Even though I do feel pain, especially when I am not with my grandchildren, I am fully convinced that HE has me where HE wants me right now.
Sharing in the fellowship of HIS suffering is not easy but is required.
IN HIM,
Phil3:10
Linny:
Hi Judith,
Here is an email answer by Ray that I thought might be helpful to you...
"Is it the fact that you find a Scripture stating something in the Word of God that you conclude that we should "do it?"
I have absolutely nothing against anyone who wishes to keep the Lord's supper. I have nothing against anyone who wishes to be circumcised or be baptized. I have nothing against anyone who wishes to sacrifice animals or offer sin offerings, burnt offerings, peace offerings and the like.
Gen. 6:14 commands: "Make THEE an ark of gopher wood...." I have nothing against anyone who wants to follow this command and "Make an ark of gopher wood."
There are hundreds of things commanded in the Scriptures. I have nothing against anyone who wishes to do ALL OF THEM. I don't. I never made an ark of gopher wood, and never intend to.
Any just why don't "I" do any of these things? Well, actually I used to do some of them. I used to pay my THREE tithes (oh you didn't know that there were THREE tithes?). I was water baptized. I used to wash my brothers feet, and I used to partake of the Lord's supper once a year. And now I don't. Why not? Because there is absolutely nothing physical that can make one spiritual.
Paul baptized at one time in his ministry and then he quit. Why? Because he put away childish things and went on to spiritual maturity.
Paul used to circumcise in his early ministry and then he quit. Why? Because he put away childish things and went on to spiritual maturity.
All physical rituals are CARNAL ordinances, and we are no longer under carnal ordinances. We are now under the "Law of the Spirit of Life." "We know longer know Jesus after the FLESH." Jesus HIMSELF said: "The flesh profits NOTHING." "The words that I speak unto you, they are SPIRIT and they are LIFE."
Although it was mighty important in Christ's time to worship in THIS mountain or in THAT mountain, Jesus Himself said that the time would come (and so it has) that we no longer worship here or there or in this manner or in that manner, with this set of physical rituals, or with that set of physical rituals, but rather WE WORSHIP IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH.
We are to WORSHIP IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH! Now then, does anyone think that we can add to those instructions by adding a few physical, carnal, rituals? I think not.
I hope this helps your understanding a little better.
God be with you,
Ray
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