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Babylonian scriptures please.
enigmoxical:
Here is another text people always seem to overlook when trying to identify the Harlot (sometimes the things that are in plain sight are quite often the most difficult to see):
"And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived."
Rev 18:22,23
Now, where can we go to hear Christian "praise and worship" music? Where can we go to hear the voice of the bridegroom and the bride? At a honky-tonk bar? How about a Barry Manilow concert? Perhaps a go-go club? Can we go to a baseball game to hear these things? Or a sports arena? [Well, maybe a sports arena or an outdoor stadium, but only if Benny Hinn or some other con-artist is in town to fleece the flock].
No. The voice of the bride and the bridegroom can be heard all around the world in churches: CHRISTIAN churches. And thanks to modern technology, we can also tune in to TBN 24/7 to hear these things as well.
"Take away from Me the noise of your songs, for I will not hear the melody of your stringed instruments.
But let justice run down like water, and righteousness like a mighty stream."
Amos 5:23,24
It appears that God is more interested in righteousness than He is in hearing praise and worship music.
Peace
EKnight:
I admit, it could very well be that I am being left in the dark. So be it. But until God opens my eyes to this "mystery" I can not, in good faith, rely on man's interpretation. I am not into bashing the Catholic church, or any church for that matter because I believe it serves its purpose. However, just using the term "mystery" reminds me of the answers that the catholic church would give for questions posed for which they had no scriptural answer, such as the trinity....it could not be scripturally answered so they said it was a mystery. Same answer for the transfiguration of bread and wine into body and blood.
Anything I learned regarding "Mystery Babylon" was learned here at BT. This was never referenced in my former church. I just don't see the scriptural reference to Babylon representing christendom.
I pray daily for God to show me things that frustrate my understanding. Not His will yet, I guess. :(
Eileen
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: EKnight on January 04, 2009, 10:16:01 AM ---I admit, it could very well be that I am being left in the dark. So be it. But until God opens my eyes to this "mystery" I can not, in good faith, rely on man's interpretation. I am not into bashing the Catholic church, or any church for that matter because I believe it serves its purpose. However, just using the term "mystery" reminds me of the answers that the catholic church would give for questions posed for which they had no scriptural answer, such as the trinity....it could not be scripturally answered so they said it was a mystery. Same answer for the transfiguration of bread and wine into body and blood.
Anything I learned regarding "Mystery Babylon" was learned here at BT. This was never referenced in my former church. I just don't see the scriptural reference to Babylon representing christendom.
I pray daily for God to show me things that frustrate my understanding. Not His will yet, I guess. :(
Eileen
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Hello Eileen,
To help your understanding, Babylon that is described in Revelation chapters 17 & 18 is a spiritual match to Jerusalem from Ezekial 16. As you'll notice the Lord speaks to both as being a 'harlot' and fornicating with the kings of this earth. As well as being decked in the finest clothing and jewelry.
Email reply from Ray regarding church and Babylon (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,6697.0.html):
Dear Lynsey: Your question is really too big for an email. These matters do not have yes or no answers, or one sentence answers. You will NOT be able to hold your own with a JW ministers or any minister skilled in the deception of Satan unless you yourself are very skilled in the Scriptures. I know how to handle these charlatans, but only after many many years of study and experience.
A women is a "church" in Scripture and Symbolism, and Prophecy.
The MOTHER is the Jewish religion from whence came the NEW Testament Church. The HARLOT DAUGHTERS are all the different churches and denominations which came OUT OF the Mother Church. It is the combination of all these church that is called: "MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT, MOTHER OF HARLOTS, AND THE ABOMINATION OF THE EARTH." And it it this Babylonish system of religion that we are to "COME OUT OF." Sorry, but I can't take the time to answer any more questions on Revelation. I have 455 unanswered emails ahead of yours. Hope you understand.
God be with you,
Ray
PS "If there come ANY [be they neighbor, friend, foe, or Jehovah's Witness] and bring not THIS DOCTRINE [the gospel and teachings of Jesus and the Apostles], receive him NOT into your house, neither bid him God speed. For he that bides him God speed is parter of his evil deeds" (II John 10-11). It is essential that we obey these commandments.
There are other scriptures that Ray shows throughout his Lake of Fire series to help give you answers. The mystery that Kat is talking about is not that there are no scriptures. The mystery is the fact that not many people understand this spiritual truth as they do not have ears to hear and eyes to see.
Matt 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
1 Cor 2:4 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned
Rev 2:4 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches (As well as Rev 2:11, 2:17, 2:29, 3:6, 3:13, 3:22,)
The Lord tells His people to repent and overcome as they shall receive their rewards in Rev 2 & 3...then He tells HIS SAME PEOPLE, to come out of Babylon in Rev 18. Where were they back in Rev 2 & 3? In the church!
Did the Lord tell them to repent and overcome the evil doctrines of the church AND THEN go into Babylon so He could call them out? You see it now? They are both one and the same...repenting and overcoming ['Him that overcomes'...Rev 2 & 3; numerous verses] is HOW you ['come out of her, MY PEOPLE!...Rev 18:4].
Please don't take my many exclamation points and CAPS as yelling as that is not my intent. Just trying to help your understanding.
Hope this helps,
Marques
judith collier:
If some people are having trouble with this Babylonian thing I suggest they take it to God and His Holy Spirit and meditate because not one of us is going to convince another seeker of truth by reiterating bible verses. It never worked with me, being a person who had to experience truth for myself but it(truth) came EVENTUALLY and in it's time in the Spirit and unless God showed me I wouldn't buy it. Yes, I know, faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God and my faith was always strengthened but a new perspective, well, I had to really take time with the Spirit and meditate because the written word was not always clear to me and I had to have clarity ON MY OWN. I've gotten this far and probably have much further to go but in God's time not anyone else's.
EKnight:
Marques,
I really appreciate your guidance but I think Judith is right. I just won't see it until God wants me to if ever. I admit it frustrates me to the point of wanting to give up the fight sometimes. And if that happens, I guess that would be of God too. It's certainly not my will. I want to know. I have spent half my afternoon (since reading your post) reading the scriptures you referenced in Revelations and Ezekiel. I saw in Rev. the mention of the seven churches and the calling of people out of babylon. But I just don't see the Babylon=Church connection. I wish I could for it would put my mind at ease. :(
Thanks again.
Eileen
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