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Sorin:

--- Quote from: Steve Meacham on January 05, 2009, 05:58:23 PM ---My mother became a baptized church-goer several years ago.
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Ah jeez! I have one of those mothers myself. Except she hasn't been to church in awhile due to health issues and lack of transportation; she still goes to like prayer meetings and stuff though because they have a location near her place of residence.

She watches however all that crap on TBN; and it makes me want to vomit. I mean, Hinn, Hagee. Hagee is such a Zionist that he believes that the Jews don't even have to believe in Christ; they are that special. Moving on...


 
--- Quote ---I actually get a kick out of telling her that I've broken all ten of the Ten Commandments.  She thinks I'm absolutely crazy, anyway, about everything I believe and do now.  She can't decide if I'm Jewish or Atheist...it just doesn't compute.
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LOL! 

That actually made me chuckle.


--- Quote ---1. I've worshiped other gods, both natural and supernatural
2. I've made idols, both in my heart and with consumer goods
3. I've misused God's name, both by abusing it in speech and by imagining Him to be something other than who He really is
4. I've broken the Sabbath, both under the Law and under the Law of the Spirit
5. I've failed to honor my parents (she believes me on this one!)
6. I've killed, by hating others
7. I've committed adultery, by looking more than once
8. I've stolen
9. I've lied
10. I've coveted

Cheers,
Steve

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I've broken all those and then some. Not bragging; just saying.

Sorin:

--- Quote ---How many emails have I gotten just like that.  ‘Oh your saying, so Hitler is going to be up in heaven with us?’  ‘Oh really, nice Ray, and I suppose Sadam Hussin will be having tea with us and taking the last supper with us.’  You know they get real sarcastic like that.  Why?  Because they want to be better.  They want to be better than Hitler, they want to be able to always think that Hitler made choices to do bad and he’s going to suffer for all eternity for it.  And they say, ‘I on the other hand, I choose Christ and I’m going to be saved.’  So people feel this way.
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I'd rather be up in heaven with Adolf Hitler than with any of those haters any day. They think they are somehow better by wishing eternal hell upon not only Hitler, but everybody that's not Christian and they think they can even hold a candle to Adolf?

Torturing people with fire for all eternity is infinitely worse than what your most anti Hitler story, movie, book, person can ever say that Hitler did.

Sorin:
As for God causing everything it's still a topic which I am still having trouble with, to be frank. I mean, if that is so; then that means my life could not have been, and could not be any different then what it has been, what it is, and what it will be and nothing I can do will change that because while I do make my own choices there is a causation which causes me to choose accordingly.

It also really makes you seem so very weak - when you can't even control your own life, your own destiny, and so forth. So it's really something I'm still contemplating and trying to make sense out of amongst other things.

So basically what happened to John Walsh's son was inevitable? And yes, I understand that no one is saying God made the sick perv rape and decapitate the kid, he did that out of his own heart and lusts; but it was inevitable nonetheless. And if that's the case then our whole life is planned out for us; even when and how we die in that it can not be any other way.

I don't know about you but if that's true - that just makes me feel really powerless.

What are your thoughts on this?

smeacham:
It makes me feel powerless too, but:

2 Corinthians 12:9 - And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

aqrinc:
Well Sorin,

At least you come to the point where understanding starts, we really are powerless to control anything.
These quotes from our Lord Jesus Christ should answer your questions.

John 5:19:
Then answered Jesus and said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, The Son can do nothing of himself,
but what he sees the Father do: for what things soever he does, these also does the Son likewise.

John 5:30:
I can of my own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not my
own will, but the will of the Father which has sent me.

george. :)

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