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My time with Jehovah's Witnesses is through
Samson:
--- Quote from: Steve Meacham on January 23, 2009, 03:58:17 PM ---In certain things they do. The Watchtower itself will change positions on things when it decides it is wrong. For example, they no longer applaud when someone who was disfellowshipped is restored to fellowship. However, I'm not aware of them making any BIG changes to core doctrines. They have changed the date and understanding of Christ's return several times, which may count.
Steve
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Hi Steve,
They usually change understandings on there position(s) after the fact, when already proven in error
and when caught. As an illustration: Up until the late 1920's, they believed that the last days began
in 1799 and that Armageddon would without a doubt take place in 1914 which included the end of all
false Religion(including Christendom), also the end of all Nations, the thousand year reign of Christ, etc.
Well after the fact that none of these predictions transpired(late 1920's), they changed the year 1914
to mean The beginning of the last days. They believed the Saints(anointed ones, Elect) were Resuurrected
to the Spiritual Realm or Heaven in 1878, later changed to 1918. In 1925 they believed that the Hebrew
Patriarchs and Old Testament faithfull righteous ones would Physically resurrected as " Princes " back to
the Earth. They actually built a house named Beth Sarim to accomodate Abraham, Isacc & Jacob with
this in mind. They wrongly predicted that Armageddon & Christs Millenium Reign would take place in the
mid 1970's( 1975 strongly implied). As a side note; most of the JW current Baptized membership came
after 1980. Most of the current membership are unaware of these things. Up until the 1920's, they
interpreted the Superior Authorities(Higher Powers) mentioned at Romans. Chapter 13 as the Worldly
Governments and subjection to them was a relative subjection and if there was a conflict between Gods
Authority and the Governments, we must obey God as ruler rather than Man. This understanding is the
correct one. In the late 1920's into the early 1930's they changed this understanding at Romans chapter
13 to mean God and Christ as the Superior Authorities. They held this belief until 1962 and changed it
back to there original understanding.
I am not allowed to Post a Web-Site, according to forum rules that more fully explains the above. What
present to you is just a miniscule amount of factual information. I spent much research, before Disassociating
myself and for two years after. Insofar as I'm concerned, former Governing Body member Ray Franz
is the top source of information. After reading his two books, I saw no bitterness or personal attach
displayed in his writing approach, only facts with quotations from there own publications(WT PUB.).
I could write a Book about this, but time does not permit. None of the above is meant to attach JW'S
on a personal level, because many of them are very fine people, believing their Organization is God's
exclusive channell(The Faithfull and Discreet Slave). There many false Date predictions exceeds 50 in
amount, I just focused on the key ones. As is true of many Publications printed for our inquiry, there
literature has " loaded statistics " to support ther position, this is especially true for the Blood Transfusion
Policy. They usually present experiences that demonstrate cases where someone benefitted from
refraining from a Transfusion, they won't mention the Hundreds of cases where people died from refusing
Blood. They have Doctrinally flip flopped on so many teachings, it's incredible.
They have changed there approach on Disfellowshipping too, not in a minor way. Have to leave for work,
so I'm unable to expound on this at this time. I'm more than happy to give further details, if you would
like to know the facts. If not, that's okay too. For my part, I'm glad to be free of there extremely
Legalistic Approach to Christianity and would gladly help any of them that want factual details about
there Organization.
Kind Regards, Samson.
aqrinc:
Hi Steve,
Not to belabor a point; you may say JW and Yourself as similar.
God Word Says:
Revelation of John 18:2:
He cried out in a powerful voice, "Fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen! She has become a home for
demons. She is a prison for every evil spirit, every unclean bird, and every unclean and hated beast.
george. :)
--- Quote from: Steve Meacham on January 23, 2009, 01:06:07 PM ---Perhaps I have an incorrect view of the Body of Christ, and if so, maybe somebody will show the correct one. I see both JW's and I as being a part. Perhaps one is a healthy foot and the other is a diseased appendix, with disagreement on which is which. But when I think about it, we're both doing exactly what God wants us to do, always to accomplish His will.
Steve
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Beloved:
--- Quote from: Steve Meacham on January 23, 2009, 01:06:07 PM ---However, the "Questions young people ask - answers that work" is pretty much ok. Most of it is centered around God's commands for parent/child or elder/youngster relationships, moral living, making Godly choices, etc. With these things, I find no fault. It doesn't champion the things in the other book. It takes us to scriptures that convict us of our own sin and show us God's righteous will. I can't call this anything but good.
Perhaps I have an incorrect view of the Body of Christ, and if so, maybe somebody will show the correct one. I see both JW's and I as being a part. Perhaps one is a healthy foot and the other is a diseased appendix, with disagreement on which is which. But when I think about it, we're both doing exactly what God wants us to do, always to accomplish His will.
Steve
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If you have read the book and like you said do not see any error in Christs doctrine then use it to help your children...on the other hand you seem to indicate you see error in the group....a little leaven will invade the whole lump
In regard to the foot and diseased appendix...in the field of medicine the latter has the potental to kill you. In regard of the spiritual, it is time to know which is which if you intend to keep exposing your family to it.
The forum is not the place to bashing the spiritually blind, all of those who have come out of babylon have their own horror stories...some funny some sad....but all learning experieinces...
beloved
smeacham:
I know better than to discount your Godly and wise counsel. I am no more likely to convert to the JW religion than I am to any of the other harlot daughters of Mystery Babylon, which is NOT. However, given my great respect for the spiritual discernment that I've found here, I'll cease and desist any attempts to further expose my loved ones to any of their material. There may be danger here I'm unable to discern on my own at this time.
God bless you,
Steve
indianabob:
To Steve and all my friends on the forum.
Just want to say that having read all the letters on this thread at one sitting, I find that I am benefitting from the exercise. All of you have contributed to my growth and understanding about the JW's, as well as other groups of folks who are still in Christendom and may come out someday. This thread illustrates I think the mature and loving way a few friends can discuss their personal experiences in a manner that helps each one. Won't it be great to live in a society in which this way of discussing issues will be the norm. I am greatly pleased.
Thanks to Samson, Beloved, George, Rodger, Dave, Brenda and specially Steve for sharing his testimony.
;D :D
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