> General Discussions

Encouragement

(1/3) > >>

Ricco:
I had a meeting yesterday with a man that has been studying the bible for fifty years, a pastor of a christian denomination who is adamant about an eternal hell. even though i presented countless scriptures about all being saved he just explained them away, saying that if there is an eternal life there must also be an eternal place of torture, well he was warning me about being in the wrong and that this was also the reason why ray had cancer, i mean how evil is that? There is absolutely no love in that. So this all has obviously left me down and even my wife says asks why are there so few who know the truth? Well the bible is clear that many are called but few are chosen, so to all the chosen out there God bless, and God speed

smeacham:
I can't understand, in my own mind, why people WANT to believe in eternal torment, even if it is for "the other guy."  How hideous!

Nonetheless, I hold fast to Matthew 13, where Jesus quoted Isaiah with the reason - "so their eyes cannot hear, and their ears cannot hear, and their hearts cannot understand, and they cannot turn to me and let me heal them."  I believe that, for us to understand/turn/be healed, we need to experience God's Judgment first.

Eventually, all will be judged, and eventually all will turn to Him and be healed.  But their eyes are closed and their ears cannot hear, so they cannot see this truth yet, or any truth, because turning to Jesus IS turning to truth - "I am the way, the truth, and the life.  No one can come to the Father except through me." (John 14:6).

For me, the God's Judgment results in humility (and a lack of humility results in Judgment!).  I suspect that your pastor friend is not chosen for Judgment yet, as he certainly doesn't sound humble.  Nor does he love his brethren, or he wouldn't say such spiteful things.

Steve

Samson:

--- Quote from: Ricco on January 22, 2009, 02:30:14 AM ---I had a meeting yesterday with a man that has been studying the bible for fifty years, a pastor of a christian denomination who is adamant about an eternal hell. even though i presented countless scriptures about all being saved he just explained them away, saying that if there is an eternal life there must also be an eternal place of torture, well he was warning me about being in the wrong and that this was also the reason why ray had cancer, i mean how evil is that? There is absolutely no love in that. So this all has obviously left me down and even my wife says asks why are there so few who know the truth? Well the bible is clear that many are called but few are chosen, so to all the chosen out there God bless, and God speed

--- End quote ---

Hey Ricco,
               
               That's certainly sad and awfull to hear that this " Pastor " attributes Rays cancer to his teachings.
               I was hoping not to hear that someone would do so, it hits a nerve for sure.

               Just remember, they(Pharisee's) said Jesus had a Demon and attributed the performing of miracles
               to the Devil(Beelzebub).

               Perhaps, if given the opportunity(1 Peter. 3:15), maybe you could show him(This Pastor) that the
               word Eternal is a mistranslation of the Greek Word Aionios. If he's willing, present him with the article,
               Is Everlasting Scriptural by Ray. However if God wants him to remain Blind to this Truth, he will remain so.

                                                  Kind Regards, Samson.
               Etern

aqrinc:

Hi Ricco,

Yesterday was a day of meetings; my meeting was with my Mother. She has been a JW for
over 50 years, no different from your pastor or any blinded person. We are not here to
convert them, just be prepared for when God uses us to be a witness (Not JW); to whosoever
HE Directs toward us.

John 6:44:
No man can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up in the last day.

george. :)



--- Quote from: Ricco on January 22, 2009, 02:30:14 AM ---I had a meeting yesterday with a man that has been studying the bible for fifty years, a pastor of a christian denomination who is adamant about an eternal hell. even though i presented countless scriptures about all being saved he just explained them away, saying that if there is an eternal life there must also be an eternal place of torture, well he was warning me about being in the wrong and that this was also the reason why ray had cancer, i mean how evil is that? There is absolutely no love in that. So this all has obviously left me down and even my wife says asks why are there so few who know the truth? Well the bible is clear that many are called but few are chosen, so to all the chosen out there God bless, and God speed

--- End quote ---

lferretj:
hello,
    All I can say is that I used to be where he was, believing in a Hell of torture.  What I don't understand is a pastor of 50 years, believing in hell and not being utterly emotionally devestated everytime he passes someone on the street, cause the chances are that person on the street isn't saved.  If he really truly believed in a Hell then I say their is no excuse to not be crying out on the street corners to try and save people.  I came really close to doing just that, then I found Ray's site.  It was tearing me up that all the people I saw in the mall, or grocery store didn't know this great news and were going to suffer eternally for it, and then little old me didn't have the guts to tell strangers the "good news."  Of course how good is the good news is it involves people suffering for eternity in Hell.   Sorry but once you know the truth you never go back, you can't, you can only try to share it and hope the Lord removes the scales from people's eyes so they can see.
       lferretj   

Navigation

[0] Message Index

[#] Next page