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lovepeace:
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THOSE WHO PRAYED FOR ME!

my surgery went well.
i am still very soar and a little drowsy, but it will go away in time.

thank you again for your prayers and gracious words.
im pretty sure God heard them and was there with me during my surgery.

at least, i hope He was.

thank you and God bless,
Chanelle

aqrinc:

Hi Chanelle,

You can be sure that if He Was (not there) you are (not here). Yes our Prayers
for you were said; but God Only Decides when we die. Do not take my word for it;

Have your Bible with you to verify The Scripture Quoted if unsure still.

Read: LOF Myth Of Free Will Exposed- Part D. http://bible-truths.com/lake15-D.html


Excerpt: The Myth of Free-Will Exposed

EVERYTHING HAS A PRECISE APPOINTED TIME

God Almighty is responsible for everything and He brings about everything only at its precise "APPOINTED SEASON AND TIME." Let's read it:

"To every thing there is a season and a time to every purpose under the heaven" (Ecc. 3:1).

The implications of this verse are staggering. The very foundation of human psychology and theology crumbles under the weight of this declaration of God’s Word. This is undoubtedly one of the ten most profound Scriptures in the entire Bible.

If we are to be honest and believe this verse, then we must concede that absolutely NOTHING is left out God’s profound declaration except man’s anti-scriptural theory of "free will."

The word "season" in the KJV is translated from the Hebrew word, z[e]man, and is defined in Strong’s Hebrew Dictionary as: "APPOINTED season, occasion, time." And "purpose" is defined as: "pleasure, desire, matter." Sometimes rendered as "purpose" or "event."

Here’s a second witness to this grand declaration:

"Because to every purpose [matter or event] there is time and judgment..." (Ecc. 8:6).

And a third witness:

"…for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work" (Ecc. 3:17).

Here are a couple translations that make this verse a little clearer:

"...for He has appointed a time for every matter, and for every work..." (The New Revised Standard Version).

"For He has set a season for every event and for every deed..." (The Concordant Literal Old Testament).

There is no wasted motion in God's creation, purpose and plan. Everything has an appointed time, and everything includes: "every purpose, every work, every matter, every event, and every deed." Where pray tell does "free will" fit into all this? It doesn’t. It clearly DOESN’T. Man has no free will. There is no such thing as free will. It is but the phantom of an "obscured heart" as we learned in Part C from Ecc. 3:11.

Again we ask, since "EVERY work, purpose, matter, deed and event" under heaven must happen at an "APPOINTED TIME," how can there be such a thing as human, uncaused, "free-will?"

Is any man free to do anything other than what God HAS "appointed time" for? No.

Is any man free to do anything that God HAS NOT assigned an "appointed time" for? No.

Is any man free to do or not to do anything that God HAS or HAS NOT assigned an "appointed time" for? No.

Then how can man have a free will?

Man’s will is predicated on previous circumstances and causes, all of which originate in God’s preordained plan and purpose.

Christendom and her fabled doctrine of "free moral agency" is trapped and completely book-ended between:

[1] "To every thing there is a season [appointed time],and a time to every purpose [matter or event] under the heaven" (Ecc. 3:1).

AND:

[2] "I know that, whatsoever God does...NOTHING can be put to it, nor ANYTHING taken from it: and GOD does it" (Ecc. 3:14).

Someone might see a contradiction in God’s teaching. If the two above Scriptures are true, then why does God warn against "adding to or taking away from His word?" Well, like everything else that is beyond the realm of carnal comprehension, all of these things too, have been foreordained and pre-determined to happen only at their "APPOINTED TIME." God has appointed a time for false prophets to add and God has appointed a time for false prophets to take away from His word.

Thanks Be To GOD And Our Lord Jesus Christ for All we have and are. ;D

george. ;D
 


--- Quote from: lovepeace on January 23, 2009, 05:42:48 PM ---THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THOSE WHO PRAYED FOR ME!

my surgery went well.
i am still very soar and a little drowsy, but it will go away in time.

thank you again for your prayers and gracious words.
im pretty sure God heard them and was there with me during my surgery.

at least, i hope He was.

thank you and God bless,
Chanelle

--- End quote ---

lovepeace:
wow George!
you really hit me with your words and scriptures.
i am so glad you shared them with me because, honestly, i have NEVER read the bible.
i hope you or anyone else looks down on me for that.
i think i have not read it, and i hate to say this because it is embarrassing, because i am scared to. i am afraid of hearing God's words and the truth behind matters and His doings.
i have read certain stories and scriptures of course, but NEVER fully understanding them and when you sent me what you did you cleared up a lot for me.
i guess God had to be there during my surgery or i would not have made it. God does have a certain time and place for everyone to die etc. and the hospital yesterday was not it (which i am glad for)  ;)
the only problem i have is...at the hospital yesterday there was a young boy not even 3 yet and he had half of his body crushed by his older brother pushing him off a fence.
this child was in so much pain, worse off then i was. i felt terrible for even asking for prayers for my surgery. at the moment i saw him i wished that i could take his place for him. i was in no pain before the surgery, i am now afterwards, but i know that poor boy must be in more. i prayed for him while i was lying there in recovery. it was so sad.
i have already written and questioned about why does God do this.
and i loved the responses i get, but still it upsets me and i think that is one reason why i do not want to read the bible or any scriptures or even except some of the things people have told me(no offense to anyone). i do not think there is ANY excuse for children to suffer the way some of them do. i do not care if your GOD or a peasant. i will not except it. maybe that is harsh and maybe i should not think that way, but i do and sometimes i feel terrible for it and kind of like a sinner(as some people would say). but i just know in my heart that it is terrible and they do not deserve it.
thank you again for everything.
hope to hear more,
Chanelle

aqrinc:
Chanelle,

God does not call us to fear of Him, The Gospel Of The Kingdom is definitely not what is taught by
most Christians or Churches. Go ahead and read the Free Will paper i sent you to get some feel for
Just Who Is This GOD we talk about. When you start to understand that He has never made a
mistake in His Adoption Plan and Purpose for us; you will stop fearing and start Rejoicing that He Is
such a Stickler for Details.

Once you get over your fear of The Scriptures; you will see and understand why we go through
the trial and terrors of this life. Know this though; GOD THE FATHER And Our Lord Jesus Christ
Have Already accounted for your fear and terror, and Will bring you into The Kingdom, Along with
All those who you see today as suffering for no reason.

Here are a few Scriptures to know Who Our GOD Is:

All quotes from: (GOD'S WORD To The Nations) Bible

Romans 5:5:
We're not ashamed to have this confidence, because God's love has been poured into our hearts by the
Holy Spirit, who has been given to us.

Romans 5:8:
Christ died for us while we were still sinners. This demonstrates God's love for us.   

Romans 8:38:
I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God's love which Christ Jesus our Lord shows us. We can't
be separated by death or life, by angels or rulers, by anything in the present or anything in the future, by forces

Romans 9:11:
Before the children had been born or had done anything good or bad, Rebekah was told that the older child
would serve the younger one. This was said to Rebekah so that God's plan would remain a matter of his choice,

I Corinthians 2:7:
We speak about the mystery of God's wisdom. It is a wisdom that has been hidden, which God had planned
for our glory before the world began.

II Corinthians 13:13:
May the Lord Jesus Christ's good will, God's love, and the Holy Spirit's presence be with all of you!

Ephesians 3:11:
This was God's plan for all of history which he carried out through Christ Jesus our Lord.

II Timothy 1:9:
God saved us and called us to be holy, not because of what we had done, but because of his own plan and
kindness. Before the world began, God planned that Christ Jesus would show us God's kindness.

I want to say much more but Ray is our Teacher so; read the paper i sent you first.

george. :)

judith collier:
lovepeace, this too is very hard for me. Now I might be told I got this wrong but this is how I look at it. God didn't MAKE this child fall off the fence but neither did He stop it. God did spare his life. And I am not talking free will here, this was not a choice by the boy to fall off the fence. God did know this accident was going to happen and why did He let it, FOR SOME REASON THAT HE WILL BRING GOOD OUT OF IT. This world is not the kingdom of heaven. But no matter, GOD is GOOD and He will always see us through if He allowed something. I have railed against God's will many times but He did say "in this world you will have tribulations and sorrows." It is hard to accept God's will sometimes, I know. But as I get older I see why I have had so many trials and that is for me to help others(understand what they are going through) and to give glory to God by coming through them with victory. Love, Judy

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