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Lightseeker:
Sandy,

Just a thought, I don't think that scripture is talking about the physical body.  God wants us to lead our body about as a slave, not lop off literal body parts.  But the body of sin within us, is to be killed and destroyed.  Two sources are trying to kill and destroy our life.  God and Satan.  Satan wants us to die by returning to the curse of sin and death.  And God wants us to die to our self by crucifying our flesh that He might raise us up with His life or life abundant which is Christ being formed in you.

ROM 6:6  Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.  

There is a future tense 'walking out' process spoken of in this verse IMO.  If we're still serving sin in an area of our life then we have not yet crucified that part of our 'self'.

A woman can wear a dress that goes all the way to the floor and all the way to her chin...and still be filled with lust.  When we are told to circumcize our hearts does that mean get a physical knife out?  I pray to God you answer this question right Sandy?  :wink:

Becky:
oh no...
i see a communication error !!

sandyfla was saying that she put that "question" out there to see if others out there understand the real meaning..... like you lightseeker...

(thought i'd jump in there!)

SandyFla:

--- Quote from: Becky ---oh no...
i see a communication error !!

sandyfly was saying that she put that "question" out there to see if others out there understand the real meaning..... like you lightseeker...

(thought i'd jump in there!)
--- End quote ---


You got it, Becky!

I know Jesus wasn't talking about physically cutting off our hands/feet and plucking out our eyes. It's just that the second part of the verse talks about being cast into hell. My point being, if people believe the "hell" part is literal, then they would have to believe "cutting off/plucking out" part is too.

So far, I'm getting nowhere. They're giving me other questions about "becoming like a child," etc. I keep going back to the cutting off/plucking out question. They are avoiding it, just like I knew they would!

Sandy

SandyFla:
OK, the guy I was corresponding with said the following:

"I believe he was pointing out to them that it is fruitless to try to save oneself. He is pointing out how flimsy their excuses are knowing they would not do what he is saying.
The chapter also deals with not worring about how great you are going to be but just depend on him."

I could go on to argue that if the first part isn't literal, then the part about hellfire isn't either. Also, how he just said anything we do to be saved is "fruitless" and to "just depend on him (Jesus)." Then I could go into an argument about freewill ... but what's the use? They won't see it until God opens their eyes.

I was simply curious to see how they explained it. He said just what I thought he would say.  :(

Sandy

Becky:
Well, ya never know. maybe that verse will get him thinking about the "truth".
???????

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