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daywalker:
--- Quote from: lferretj on January 26, 2009, 06:18:15 PM ---thanks for the replies
cjwood- i did the searches and they helped clear up where the age of accountability could have been conjured up but the Dr. Kennedy letter was written to critisize if those who hadn't heard went to Hell not Heaven as my friend contends.
Daywalker - I did bring up the point you mentioned but if was futile, she didn't have an answer and said it wasn't her place to question God's will. As for the Savior of the World verses, which I showed her at least three--she got stuck on free will and that god desires to save all but people must choose because God doesn't want to force anyone to love Him. Each verse I showed her she used the same excuse to refute it. As for talking about free will she seemed pretty adamant and didn't want to hear anything to the contrary. She did say she was willing to research her faith so I sent her to Ray's site and she promised to read it and check it out. We will see what happens.
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Hello again,
Next time you get into a similar conversation, and she says that people must choose on their own, show her these verses and see what her response is:
John 15:16: Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you...
Philippians 2:13: For it is GOD which works in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure
But if she seems uninterested, then it's better to back off, rather than 'pushing the Truth' at her...
I have conversations with my wife and mom often. My wife gets it, but then she gets tired of hearing it after a while... My mom gets it, but then later on she forgets most of what I showed her. The important part is believing that GOD ALONE is in control of everything. This is why people don't believe, because they don't really believe that HE IS.
A little here, a little there.. If God has willed it, she will come to understand. If not now, then she will in the next life. All in God's timing, not ours.
God Bless You,
Daywalker.
EKnight:
--- Quote from: lferretj on January 26, 2009, 04:16:57 PM ---Hello,
I went to visit my girlfriend on the coast for a day and we got to talking and she told me her theology, she is a christian but believes that anyone who hasn't heard the gospel no matter what age will automatically go to heaven. She defines believers as those who have heard the message and choose to follow Christ whereas Non-believers are only those who have heard the message and choose not to follow Christ.
lferretj
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Her definition of believers and non-believers makes sense. After all, how can someone be a non-believer of something they have never heard? However, where is her scripture that supports her belief that those who never heard automatically go to heaven?
I have heard people answer "well we don't know if their hearts were converted just before they died" to the question "what happens to those who never heard or heard but never believed?" IMO the answer is a cop out because some people (some I actually know) don't want to think that non-believers burn in their fictitious hell. Rather, they appease themselves by giving the above stated answer. It eases their mind so that they can hold onto their hell doctrine and at the same time release themselves from feeling bad about it. Yet, they don't have any scripture to back it up. It's a farce of an answer.
Thank you God for opening up my eyes and ears. I truly pity those whose minds are yet in darkness and I will rejoice in the day that God will be ALL in ALL.
Eileen
WhoAmI:
Hi lferretJ,
Did you ask what interpretation does the person have to have of Christ? It seems if one is to believe in Christ they would need to be told the right meaning of Him. The reason I say this is because a lot of Christians tell you that all you have to do is believe and your "saved." Well, what is it exaclty the right belief?
And does she include everyone of the Christian faiths included in this also? And if not, then why does someone differing in opinion now cancel them out for being "saved." I mean after all plenty of people believe in Christ and say they follow Him. Usually this is where everything changes. I have told people I believe in Christ and then lets say they learn I don't believe in "hell" well then I am a follower of demons. ? ? ?
musicman:
Let's all hold a rally in the streets with big signs saying "you evil missionairies are sending Africans and such to hell!" Remember, if they aren't preached to then they go to heaven. How dare these evil men and women go and tell those pagans about christ so that they will now have the opportunity to reject the message? They were given a free ticket to heaven for never hearing about Christ. And what are the odds that those people will accept the words of some foreign loon to begin with? They are the reason that Africans will go to hell. And those satelites that they have over there? Yep, TBNs sending them to the fire as well. Now I guess god will have to send all of the missionairies and TBN whores to hell for giving so many the opportunity to deny christ and go to hell.
Beloved:
lferretj you said
I went to visit my girlfriend on the coast for a day and we got to talking and she told me her theology, she is a christian but believes that anyone who hasn't heard the gospel no matter what age will automatically go to heaven.
You need to spend time reading here
Perform the Ray test
Have her show you two scriptures that absolutly show this is true.
In the meantime you find two that show the absoluelty the opposite
(that no flesh or bone can enter heaven …..and many others) I do not have time to search these but perhaps others on the board can add.
If all Scripture is inspired from God and God will not lie.....then
Her scriptures cannot be true, there are many other holes in her argument and whoever she is getting such dung from.
Here are the transcripts of Ray but they are also audio if you prefer to listen to the
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5417.0.html
This one explains that they lack understanding of the concept of grace….it is a noun and verb…if God is making us in his image….he has to work in you….those whom he does not change here …..will be changed then…not in heaven but in corrupt bodies.....all knees will bow
Here are two excellent resource for you to bone up on …..
http://bible-truths.com/twelve.htm
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,6452.0.html
Musicman....very funny.....they are separating them from the unbelievers but the blind are leading the blind....but no man knows who God will call out of babylon. But your logic is impeccable....and shows another aspect that their doctrine's is a contradiction
beloved
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