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Submitting to the Pastors Idols of the heart
smeacham:
I actually believe we are all well-equipped to confront these Babylonian pastors. The problem is, they are not equipped to listen or believe. It doesn't matter how many obvious and clear scriptures we can present that show that God does not lie, God's word does not lie, God's word does not contradict, God is forming us in His image, Evil is necessary and by design, God will save the whole world, Hell is a doctrine of evil men, etc. We can do this perfectly, but still not convince them, not because of us our our presentation. It's because God has sealed their eyes and ears.
I know this to be true now, through my own experience. When I was showing these things to the Jehovah's Witnesses, I do not believe I did a poor job. I showed and expounded on the right scriptures. I was well prepared. I had the skill and experience of being a minister myself. I did not stutter or shake. I spoke with confidence and conviction. I had rebuttals for every "contradictory" scripture they could produce. None of it mattered. They could not accept or believe it.
Steve
daywalker:
--- Quote from: Steve Meacham on January 28, 2009, 03:32:52 PM ---I actually believe we are all well-equipped to confront these Babylonian pastors. The problem is, they are not equipped to listen or believe. It doesn't matter how many obvious and clear scriptures we can present that show that God does not lie, God's word does not lie, God's word does not contradict, God is forming us in His image, Evil is necessary and by design, God will save the whole world, Hell is a doctrine of evil men, etc. We can do this perfectly, but still not convince them, not because of us our our presentation. It's because God has sealed their eyes and ears.
I know this to be true now, through my own experience. When I was showing these things to the Jehovah's Witnesses, I do not believe I did a poor job. I showed and expounded on the right scriptures. I was well prepared. I had the skill and experience of being a minister myself. I did not stutter or shake. I spoke with confidence and conviction. I had rebuttals for every "contradictory" scripture they could produce. None of it mattered. They could not accept or believe it.
Steve
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So true Steve! Only those to whom it has been given, shall receive...
I am reading again Ray's article "Twelve Truths to Understanding His Word" [I think I started to awhile back, but never finished...], and the part about the "Two or Three Witnesses" of Scripture I believe is the strongest Truth to use when speaking with someone, especially a Pastor or someone of 'higher' learning in Church Doctrines.
The next time someone tells me, "The Bible says 'this'..", my immediate response will be, "Oh yeah? Show me TWO SCRIPTURES which support what you just said."
"Those who reject Jesus will go to Hell" Show me TWO Scriptures!
"People must choose Jesus on their own? Show me TWO Scriptures! .. Cuz I got TWO that say YOU CAN'T [Actually I got more :D]
Anyways, May God continue to bless all of us with more Wisdom and Spirit and Truth,
Daywalker.
saladking:
--- Quote from: Phil3:10 on January 28, 2009, 02:06:25 PM ---
Salad King.
Your testimony to your old pastor was bold. Not many of us are equipped to debate scripture with those who have been indoctrinated in the seminaries of Christendom. Very few of us are capable to teach and many of us will only make a situation worse if we try.
However, I do think you have found GOD'S will for your life and I can assure you that if you keep searching GOD will provide you the answers you need. I can think of no better place to search than L. Ray Smith and Bible-Truths.com. This forum will give you a wonderful contact with like-thinking lovers of CHRIST.
In HIM,
Phil3:10
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Phil3:10, the reason that my testimony may seem bold is because I have an aggressive attitude of heart towards Reverends, Pastors, Ministers, Elders etc. I don't like those that think they have the God given right to lord it over others when they are wrong. :-X
Thanks for the vote of confidence but I would disagree with you about me being gifted with debating minsters etc. The situation has got worse when I have tried too. :-[ Maybe even in this case with my old Pastor.
Saladking :)
saladking:
--- Quote from: daywalker on January 28, 2009, 02:13:03 PM ---“Your concerns have led you on a long journey………and you do not wish to be persuaded, so I won’t try. To take your position negates the reason for Christs coming. How sad.”
Negates the reason for Christs coming? Why did Christ come again?
I John 4:14: And we have seen and DO TESTIFY that the Father sent the Son TO BE THE SAVIOR OF THE WORLD
Oh, that's why! Is this what 'Pastor' testifies? Poppycock!
Now, that's SAD!
- Daywalker
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Daywalker, Yes the Pastor just had to put that last little comment in to finish things off between me and him, didn't he?
As if his showing me of his strength of sticking to his guns might impress me. Well he doesn't impress me by doing that. >:(
Saladking :)
Phil3:10:
SaladKing.
I do so agree with you concerning titles like Reverend, Bishop, Father and others. They want to make us think these titles elevate them above us plain folks. I like the teachings of a plain old roofer and trust his teachings more than any theologian or seminary trained preacher I have ever heard.
Phil3:10
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