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Submitting to the Pastors Idols of the heart
saladking:
Dave in tenn, I see that we are all used by God to accomplish his purposes to fail or succeed. failing does hurt though. As we can't see what God knows. We just have to trust Him (in our hurt too).
Falconnoo3, Thankyou for your quotes. Something that I have observed in opposers to God's Word the truth. They usually accuse others of what they are guilty of themselves.
Kat, I do hope that I might have shown the Pastor that because I listened to him and seriously considered his view. And then eventually over time came back to seeing that "all being saved is the Gospel", he might see that there might be a lot of truth in my convictions.
Kevin, I can see that it has strengthened my faith, but as for the Pastor, I dispair. Although I know that he has a lot to loose if he was to reject what he believes now.
Antaiwan, Thank you for selecting out those scriptures for me. I know that we can't study too much. I guess that it will always be really hard for me to be able to give an answer to everyman for the reason of the hope that I have, because of my shaking and quivering voice in case it's someone that wishes to attack what I share.
Thankyou all for your comments :) Any more comments are most welcome.
Saladking.
daywalker:
--- Quote from: Falconn003 on January 27, 2009, 09:28:13 AM ---
--- Quote from: saladking on January 27, 2009, 12:35:58 AM ---I’m often frustrated that I have been far too much of a pansy in how I dealt with my old Pastor.
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And i dont blame ya frustrated, your pastor is a very smoothe talker or at least like to think sooo....notice the following observations.......... He whom speaks with fork tongue.
--- Quote --- He also said, “One thing that the Universalists do, is ignore the important rule, ‘the scriptures must not contradict other scriptures.’ You’re only deluding yourself when you believe only the scriptures that fit your belief and ignore those verses that don’t fit.”
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Your pastor states:"Universalists ignore the important rule, ‘the scriptures must not contradict other scriptures.’
Ok Scriptures do not contradict..............ok got it and Spiritualy Understood..............but then
And in the same breathe States : "deluding yourself when you believe only the scriptures that fit your belief and ignore those verses that don’t fit.”
Do not ignore the Scriptures that contradict ??? COMON !! which is it. do Scriputres contradict or not ? Yes or No ? anything else is from the evil one.
--- Quote --- He also said, “One thing that I learnt early on was anyone that complicated the simplicity of Christ and added conditions and works to the completed work of Christ should be REFUTED AND AVOIDED. While this might not be the case with Universalism, I don’t see it as dissimilar.”
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AHEMmmmm........according to the above statements in the 2nd quote box, your pastor just laid complications to the contradictions and so didn't your pastor just "complicated the simplicity of Christ and added conditions and works to the completed work of Christ should be REFUTED AND AVOIDED."
They just do not believe nor pay attention to their own words, much less those of God.
--- Quote --- He added, “Who is influencing you? My advice to you is that if the Internet is causing you to question the truth of God’s Word, better to leave it alone, rather than listen to lying tongues and accept a lie. A belief in universalism will lead to destruction.”
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And no Scripture given to the above Statement highlighted in red, for no wonder even the devil is changed to an angel of light.
case closed next........... ;D
Rodger
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Excellent rebuttal Rodger! Way to 'cut em off at the heels'! 8)
I also couldn't resist myself from chuckling when I read this:
"He mentioned, “Who am I to argue with the translators. I don’t see your problem.”
Puh-Leaz! As if 'the translators' are superior Gods!!
Psalm 146:4: Do not put your trust in princes, in mortal men, who cannot save. When their spirit departs, they return to the ground; on that very day their plans come to nothing.
Romans 3:4: May it not be coming to that! Now let God be true, yet every man a liar...
Sorry, 'Pastor', you lose! AMEN :D
Daywalker
Falconn003:
When God opens your Eyes and Ears, with your Eyes open to see this sort coming a MILE away.
Like vultures flying over a dead carcass, so they too fly in circles over the DEAD INK, being seen miles away.
Be Watchful in earnest.
Peace
Rodger
PS not my rebuttal, i would have of the flesh, just told this pastor to bugger off.
Marlene:
Salad King, You did what you thought you should. You learn alot from it. I to had thought about telling a Pastor I thought might be ready to hear the truth. However, I knew I was not ready to stand up to him. I just kept reading Ray's articles and found myself over time not wanting to talk to him. I know God drew me in here and if this man was questioning things God would find a way to draw him out and he did not need me.
Before, leaving my church of many year, while ill and not in church for a year I found myself questioning different believes, throughout Church history. None, of it made sense to me. They all believed to many different things. I saw too much division in there believes. I began to wonder what one of them were right. While, I was doing some research I asked my pastor after my illness about some things and he said," It is not good to go in on the internet.
Even though he took most of his sermons from internet pastors websites. He told me he was glad I asked him so as not to get misled. I told him I would discern things for myself with Gods help. Well, he was not to happy with me. But, I never returned after he said, He did not know what anyone gave and then preached that if you stole from God he just might let you die. That, showed me that he sat in Gods seat.
I know how you feel about lack of fellowship. This included my Husbands whole family and they still go even knowing what he did. But, God Blessed me with fellowship of the most beautiful people I have ever known. My sister in-law-called me and said right before my surgery two weeks ago that what I needed was good people praying for me. I told her thanks for calling. I also, let her know I had plenty of people who were praying for me. I am sure she thinks I should be in church.
I have faced many trials since leaving that church, but I have real people in here. I have truths that I never dreamed of and we have Brothers and Sisters who all have been rejected like us. Wow, I am proud that you took your stand. You are no failure. God enabled you to believe these truths. You did what you felt led to and that does not make you a failure.
It still brings me to tears at all the prayers for me and pm's. Gosh, I went a whole year without only about three people from my old church calling me. I do have a good friend who goes there who is paralyzed quedstioning the churches. She wants to spend some time with me this spring and summer reading Rays articles. She thinks all being saved makes lots of sense. So, we never know who might call us. So be prepared. God has blessed me so much since I left Babyon. I really knew these people in here were praying.
In His Love,
Marlene
So Glad to have you here in the forum.
saladking:
Thankyou marlene for understanding how I felt. I got myself into the situation and did the best that my nerves could tolerate.
Thankyou too for sharing what you did. That comment from your Pastor of, "It is not good to go on the Internet" makes me wonder why people naturally think that it is always the people that you know that are telling the truth. Obviously it can also be just as likely that it is the people that you don't know that are telling the truth.
you also mentioned that "I would discern things for myself with God's help". You were being a little assertive and your Pastor didn't take to kindly to that. That is the thing that raises the alarm bells that it is time to get away fast. Unless you have the strength to front up to him, because it will get heated.
I still keep in touch with one person from the Church. But we don't talk about spiritual things. We are just two single men enjoying each others company over lunch each week.
I don't think I have had anyone call me since I've left Church. Only those that I have contacted myself.
Saladking :)
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