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Lust and Marriage
aqrinc:
3rd Excerpt from: What is Marriage.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5675.msg45929.html#msg45929
(9) Marriage comes under the category of;
Rom 13:7 Render to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor.
This is talking about the laws of the land, the governments, the enforcement people and everything else, and all of the regulations that come out of cities and counties and so on. “…tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom…” You may be familiar with someone who has as much as spit on this. You don’t just have to obey the laws, it says you have to obey the customs too.
The person in the email says, there is no law that says I can’t live with another person. There is no ‘law of the land’ that says that. Yes that is true, but there is also no law that says if you do live with a person you are legally husband and wife and you can claim all of the benefits that go along to a husband and wife. So maybe it’s not a iron clad law that they will put you in jail for, but it is a custom.
Is marriage not a custom in the western world and everywhere else in the world? Lets face it, every civilized nation on earth has weddings, right. To make two people living together, legally husband and wife, every nation on earth has that. Now maybe it’s not a law where they put you in jail, but it’s certainly a custom.
Paul says you need to honor custom to whom custom and if you don’t you’re sinning. It’s as simple as that, “custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor.” Even tribute, you need a license that you have to pay for, that’s tribute. You say, ‘I don’t want to pay for it.’ It’s the law.
You say, ‘I know how to drive a car and I don’t need a license to drive a car.’ Yes you do, actually you do. You don’t need a license to physically be able to drive a car, but you see there is laws and if you break the laws you’re sinning. So I don’t see where God says…… show me where the Bible says, you need a license to drive a car. I have people so stupid that say things like that.
They will say, ‘show me in the Bible where it says you can’t smoke marijuana or take drugs, where is it, show me that.’ Actually I can show you that come to think of it. I do know some places that I can show you that, back in Revelation, ‘porneia.’ But they will say, ‘you show me that in the Bible.’ That is stupid, “custom to whom custom,” that’s where it is, it comes under a principle. You have to learn principles, right.
So proper marriage and licensing fulfill every one of these ‘tribute to whom tribute, custom to whom custom,” you see. Therefore we should do it.
(10) 1 Tim 4:1 “Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons,”
This is kind of important, right.
v. 2 “speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,”
And what is the first thing they do?
v. 3 “forbidding to marry…”
You can lay this verse directly at the door steps of the Catholic church, where they forbid priests to marry. Now they have a right to do that, but what does it produce? What does that doctrine of devils forbidding men, who are filled with testosterone, what does it produce? It produces a whole plethora of priest who have sex with little boys, that’s what it produces. It’s a sin and it stinks to high heaven.
The word ‘marry’ there is forbidding to wed, forbidding to take the marriage ceremony, ritual, covenant, nuptials, oaths……all for the doctrines of devils. So can we see how important this is?
george. ::)
deftarchangel:
--- Quote from: Falconn003 on January 31, 2009, 10:58:37 PM ---
Lust
Intense or >>>unrestrained<<< sexual craving. ((UNRESTRAINED says it all))
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That's the distinction I was looking for. Thanks Rodger.
:)
judith collier:
I know, I know, about the catholic church but this is how I was taught. Marriage was raised to a sacrament by the church because of Jesus turning the water into wine at Canaan. The fact that this was his first miracle and that He did this for the wedding party shows us Jesus had mercy on the ceremony and condoned marriage. Also, the bible says, "the marriage bed is undefiled" We were made to propogate, the desire was put there by God. Anything of excess is never good even sex. A married man and woman love to please each other if they love one another. It is absolutely good in this respect. Judy
Dave in Tenn:
Lust is a part of our sinfulness related to envy...a desire for something which isn't ours. Envy (under the law) relates to possessions (including wives). Lust expresses itself sexually. "Thou shalt not commit adultery" is the law. Christ explained that even to have lust in one's heart is commiting adultery. That's Spirit. Lust is adultery.
God designed male and female and gave us sexual feelings. God designed and blessed marriage. Scripture assumes marriage, and also defines it in many ways--not the least of which by telling us what violates marriage, namely adultery. Adultery is the evil which defines the good, and mankind has plenty of experience with both.
Lust (having and harboring sexual desires) for a person outside of marriage is sin. That person is not yours. Having and harboring sexual desires for a person within marriage is not a sin, and is not lust. That person IS yours. So much yours that you are described as one flesh.
Can there still be lust within marriage? Yes. The letter of the law would have the man able to force himself on his wife under any circumstance. But the reality of a physically loving relationship goes beyond the letter of the law (as Christ did with murder and adultery) and calls us to something greater. That's the 'higher calling'. That's the 'righteousness greater than the Pharisees'. That's Love. As with murder, He does NOT eliminate the law, however. That's Love too.
To me, one of the reasons that God in scripture keeps mentioning sex both in terms of sin, and marriage in general, is because those of a certain maturity know what He is talking about.
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on February 01, 2009, 09:01:32 AM ---Lust is a part of our sinfulness related to envy...a desire for something which isn't ours. Envy (under the law) relates to possessions (including wives). Lust expresses itself sexually. "Thou shalt not commit adultery" is the law. Christ explained that even to have lust in one's heart is commiting adultery. That's Spirit. Lust is adultery.
God designed male and female and gave us sexual feelings. God designed and blessed marriage. Scripture assumes marriage, and also defines it in many ways--not the least of which by telling us what violates marriage, namely adultery. Adultery is the evil which defines the good, and mankind has plenty of experience with both.
Lust (having and harboring sexual feelings) for a person outside of marriage is sin. That person is not yours. Having and harboring sexual feelings for a person within marriage is not a sin, and is not lust. That person IS yours. So much yours that you are described as one flesh.
Can there still be lust within marriage? Yes. The letter of the law would have the man able to force himself on his wife under any circumstance. But the reality of a physically loving relationship goes beyond the letter of the law (as Christ did with murder and adultery) and calls us to something greater. That's the 'higher calling'. That's the 'righteousness greater than the Pharisees'. That's Love. As with murder, He does NOT eliminate the letter of the law, however. That's Love too.
To me, one of the reasons that God in scripture keeps mentioning sex both in terms of sin, and marriage in general, is because those of a certain maturity know what He is talking about.
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Glory to God Dave...well said. :)
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