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Theory of evolution and God
Stevernator:
Hi everyone,
I've been watching some videos on evolution and it seems plausible considering the evidence and also since most scientists accept it at the current time. Do you think that God could have put into place evolution (theistic evolution)? When I think of God I can see Him starting the big bang with the knowledge that galaxies and planets will form including earth and eventually bring life about. I see many processes such as the big bang inflating from a singularity, towards galaxies and planets developing to cells developing, to evolution to babies developing from zygotes to babies developing into mature adults to complex civilizations forming from tribes as something that God could have and be guiding. Basically processes that start from something simple to complex if you can see what I mean. So if the theory of evolution from common descent ( saying that everything alive today has a common ancestor) is true then I see a few possibilities:
The creation story of Adam and Eve is allegorical
Evolution is in the story somewhere
or common descent is not true and creationism or intelligent design is true.
However I have been watching videos lately on youtube and of course I am ignorant in these matters. But it seems that the evidence is compelling so I am trying to learn more and keep an open mind.
I have been very fascinated lately in evolution and astronomy. Ray has pointed out I think that the earth is old and that there may have been humans/humanoids before Adam. Science supports this and I believe there is evidence of humans and entire civilizations before Adam.
Basically I am trying to see how science and the Bible fit together. I am curious and I don't want to stop questioning. I would like to see what you guys think about these things. If you guys disagree with any of these things than I would like to hear what you think and why.
-Steve
PS Also I am not dogmatically saying it is true but I am trying to learn.
britt:
Dear Stevernator,
Both the theory of evolution and creation are pretty deep subjects. I'm really not qualified to answer these types of questions, but I don't want to just leave your question hanging out there without an response. I have spent time in my life also researching various subjects trying to makes sense of it all. From my experience, I just want to give you this heads up. Some scientist and researchers are highly intelligent and excellent speakers. They can be very cunning and crafty at getting you to believe the things they believe. My advice to you as you search is to not just tune in to one particular persons point of view. Rather, Visit multiple sites and resources and take tiny pieces from each one and compare that together with what you believe in your heart. I do know that this world is ever rapidly changing and it requires both man and beast to evolve, or adapt if you will, for survival. From my experiances in life I will never be convinced there is no god. I have a personal relationship with him. From my humble perspective, I think god gave creation the ability to adapt and change. I don't believe that adapt and change gave creation. On a wild tangent, "Which came first? The chicken or the egg?"- Author Unknown On a personal note I know of a book that punches holes in the theory of evolution called "The Collapse Of Evolution" by Scott M. Huse , On the other hand, there is pretty strong evidince out there that supports this theory as well. Just know that no one knows for certain.
With Respect,
Britt
Stevernator:
Thanks for your response Britt. I agree that it is important to make sure the speaker is objective.
aqrinc:
Stevernator,
When you find some plausible evidence of evolution; you will be the holder of
knowledge no one else has. Remember The Theory is all they have, here is what
The Scriptures say:
Isa 34:11 Owls and ravens will take over the land. The LORD will make it a barren waste
again, as it was before the creation.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen,
being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so
that they are without excuse:
Heb 4:13 There is nothing that can be hid from God; everything in all creation is exposed
and lies open before his eyes. And it is to him that we must all give an account of ourselves.
1Pe 1:20 He had been chosen by God before the creation of the world and was revealed in
these last days for your sake.
You can believe them or believe The Scriptures. I have been where you are now; after 20+ years
of study and research, they still only have a theory.
Jesus Christ is An Historical Person, not a theory; He made statements He backed up with
deeds, not theory. Where is the course on evolution, that Jesus Christ or His Apostles taught.
Here is wisdom:
1Co 1:20 Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the discusser of this eon? Does not God
make stupid the wisdom of this world?
1Co 1:21 For since, in fact, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom knew not God,
God delights, through the stupidity of the heralding, to save those who are believing,
1Co 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise
in their own craftiness.
george. :)
Kat:
Hi Steve,
This is from the 2007 Nashville conference, just though it was something you might want to consider.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4472.0.html ------------
Now here is something good, this Philip Johnson, a law professor, at Berkley wrote ‘Darwin On Trial.’ It’s very good, until you get to where he’s talking about religion. So he’s got his facts down on evolution, better than anybody I’ve ever read. But then we have original sin and we inherit the corruptible nature and God is one person in three. And God created Adam in His image and they were given this great intelligence, knowledge and perfect innocents and purity. And all this written in their hearts. No it wasn’t! But if you want to read it, it’s very good, I just got this a couple of years ago. He has an eye here, because he talks about the eye.
When I first started studying the Bible, 40 years ago, the one thing that struck me about evolution, was the eye. How do you evolve an eye? When did a creature that didn’t have an eye, decide he wanted one? And maybe one of his buddies said, you know if you’re going to go for the eye thing, go for two. But you know they had no mouth either, so he really couldn’t talk... had no brain either. But he said, what do you mean two? His buddy said, you know dept perception, if you’re going to have eyes, you’re going to need two to get this thing called dept perception, it’s really an elusion in the brain, it’s not real.
And that evolved from sea slime? No.
Listen, through mutations only one in a hundred generations, of most animals, produce any kind of mutation. Mutations are usually bad, they are detrimental to the health of the creature. Let’s suppose that once in a while you have a mutation that is of some kind of benefit and in this case we’re going to work on an eye. How many mutations would you have to have, in a row, through evolution, beneficial to start constructing an eye? Well somewhere around a trillion. That is if you had a trillion consecutive mutations, that were all positive and beneficial, and they were all directed to constructing an eye. What are the chances of that? One in a trillion quardrillion trillion. You see what I mean. And that’s every hundredth generation or whatever. How many billion and trillion and quadrillions generations would it take? It would take millions of times longer than the universe was here.
Did the human eye evolve? No, it did not. Every time you look at an eye you know there is a God. Not only does the eye see, the eye doesn’t ‘see’, it’s the brain that sees. What? Yea, you need the eyes, but the brain sees through the eyes, the eye doesn’t see anything. The eye is dumb. Now you have this eye and you have to connect it to a brain that interprets what all this is. And that evolved out of chance? With no intelligence? All you have to know is you have two eyes and that is proof positive, there is a God! That is unequivocal proof, there’s a God. You can’t even begin to imagine your way around that in evolution, there’s no way.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
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