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Decky:
I was under the impression that it's God who blinds and it's satan who deceives, therefore I was trying to determine whether 2 Corinthians 4:4 is really talking about GOD being the one who has blinded unbelievers and kept the light of Christ from shining on them, because it's not given them to believe. Interestingly, in 2 Cor 4:4, Paul says it's the god of this EON, whereas Jesus referred to satan as the prince of this kosmos(system)in John 14:30. We know that satan is not the eonian God. Like it was said earlier, it's God who sends the strong delusion so that people would believe a lie(2 Thes 2:11), and it's God who imparted blindness to Israel until the fulness of the nations come in(Rom 11:25). This seems consistent with Jesus' explanation of why He spoke in parables, so that the multitude wouldn't understand and be converted and healed.

So, is it off base to believe that it's God who's blinding the minds of those who believe not?

Ninny:
It seems to me in John 12:40 He is talking about Israel. God blinded their eyes or their understanding, but I do believe it is satan who deceives and blinds the others. God has a purpose for keeping Israel blinded until He is ready. Wasn't this a quote from Isaiah? A prophecy concerning Israel not believing in Christ as the Messiah? I didn't read it really thoroughly. Sorry if I'm off course on this one!
Kathy ???   

Beloved:

Does this help Kathy

(Joh 12:39)  Therefore they could not believe, because that Isaiah said again

(Joh 12:40)  [u]He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart[/u]; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

beloved

aqrinc:

Here are the words of Jesus Christ to the disciples. When reading we can know if we are
still (them or you). Plainly to those that understand, The Scriptures tell about The Kingdom
Of The Heavens. Who is the author of The Scriptures and what do They (Scriptures) keep
saying about the Kingdom Of The Heavens. Ray has written so much about these subjects,
we need to keep reading and Praying for understanding.

Most of the apparent conflicts can be answered with further study since (no prophecy of
the Scriptures is it's own interpretation). Additional support from 2nd Peter below.

Mat 13: 10-23 (YLT)

10  And the disciples having come near, said to him, `Wherefore in similes dost thou speak to them?'

11  And he answering said to them that--`To you it hath been given to know the secrets of the reign of the heavens, and to these it hath not been given,

12  for whoever hath, it shall be given to him, and he shall have overabundance, and whoever hath not, even that which he hath shall be taken from him.

13  `Because of this, in similes do I speak to them, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor understand,

14  and fulfilled on them is the prophecy of Isaiah, that saith, With hearing ye shall hear, and ye shall not understand, and seeing ye shall see, and ye shall not perceive,

15  for made gross was the heart of this people, and with the ears they heard heavily, and their eyes they did close, lest they might see with the eyes, and with the ears might hear, and with the heart understand, and turn back, and I might heal them.

16  `And happy are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear,

17  for verily I say to you, that many prophets and righteous men did desire to see that which ye look on, and they did not see, and to hear that which ye hear, and they did not hear.

18  `Ye, therefore, hear ye the simile of the sower:

19  Every one hearing the word of the reign, and not understanding--the evil one doth come, and doth catch that which hath been sown in his heart; this is that sown by the way.

20  `And that sown on the rocky places, this is he who is hearing the word, and immediately with joy is receiving it,

21  and he hath not root in himself, but is temporary, and persecution or tribulation having happened because of the word, immediately he is stumbled.

22  `And that sown toward the thorns, this is he who is hearing the word, and the anxiety of this age, and the deceitfulness of the riches, do choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.

23  `And that sown on the good ground: this is he who is hearing the word, and is understanding, who indeed doth bear fruit, and doth make, some indeed a hundredfold, and some sixty, and some thirty.'

2 Peter: 1: 19-21 (RKJNT)
19 And so we have the word of prophecy made more certain; to which you would do well to take heed, as to a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns, and the morning star arises in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is a matter of one's private interpretation. 21 For prophecy did not come in times of old by the will of man: but holy men spoke from God as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

2 Peter: 3: 15-18  (RKJNT)
15 And consider the patience of our Lord to be salvation; just as our beloved brother Paul has written to you, according to the wisdom given to him,

16 Speaking of these things, as he does in all his letters. In them are some things that are hard to understand, which those who are unlearned and unstable distort, as they do the other scriptures, to their own destruction.

17 But you, beloved, seeing that you know these things beforehand, beware lest you also, being led away by the error of the wicked, fall from your own steadfastness.

18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever (The Aions). Amen.

george. :)

mharrell08:
Link to Lake of Fire series #15-C (http://bible-truths.com/lake15-C.html)

Scroll to section 'The Kingdom of Satan and his role as adversary' (I thought too long to post)

Satan is only an instrument in God's plan for creation...he can do nothing of himself. Whether is was God or god that blinded unbelievers, all is of GOD [Eph 1:11, 2 Cor 5:18, Rom 11:36, etc]. God is still the ultimate cause.



Marques

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