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aqrinc:
Hi Beloved,
If i understand you correctly, one should be sure to know the Scriptures and always
use The Word properly (Spiritually) to verify any statement that is given as opposed to:
--- Quote from: Beloved on February 14, 2009, 03:25:46 PM ---Many in Babylon “preach the word”, They can quote scriptures extremely well. But they present the word wrapped in lies and their man made doctrines twist it to suit their needs. They do not understand the spiritual implications. They are the authors of confusion .
On the other hand how does one go out and present the spiritual to those who are totally blind and deaf to it.
What they need is Faith.
Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. This is totally a work of God
--- End quote ---
Let me add this very important element to your discussion of The Word.
Eph 2: 8-10
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are HIS workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
george. ;D
Beloved:
Ninny Glad you understand, it is just a case of sharpening the sword. I am just becoming more aware of our use of word...I am not free from using them carelessing sometimes.
We have to all go through what that scary avatar of Steves says we all need to be Unlearning what is untrue
Absoloodle George
Eph 2: 8-10
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are HIS workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them
All for the Glory of God...
beloved
Beloved:
Roy
What I posted is not meant to be a criticsim of what you are doing. Since many come here and read these posts , and the purpose of this forum is unique, what I have written is an attempt to be consistent in what Ray has written about witnessing. That is why I cited the paper.
Roy you are not going through anything different that what any of us have not struggled with. Coming out of babylon is scary. Working out these false teachings is hard. We all need to examine ourselves in everything because the beast wants back on that throne. We all want to shout from the roof tops. It it the scroll that we eat, it is sweet to the mouth but bitter to the stomach, that so many out there cannot see and hear what has been revealed to us.n.
I think the rose story is precious, and nothing to be bothered about. It was not a criticism but an observation God works in all of us differently and uses different methods at differnt times when he is working on us.
God has taken all of us over the coals and through gehenna. Many have felt a spiritual brick hit us in the side of the head, or with two by four or have been slammed down when God wants to show us some thing. It is always better to listen for the whisper. ;D
We all have to mature and grow and endure, this is a place for exhorting and for questioning.
(Eph 4:2) With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
(Eph 4:3) Endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
(Eph 4:4) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
(Eph 4:5) One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
I think that many people here have been moved by your testimony Roy and are looking forward to hearing more.
beloved
aqrinc:
Hi Roy,
I see beloved using Scripture for every point made so far, that is the point when speaking of Spiritual things. There is Scripture that either verifies or refutes our feelings. But in order to have a basis for discussing The Word Of God; we must use The Word Of God. Otherwise we become just like any other Babylonian feeling the spirit or word of the spirit movement. That is where we came from; not where we are heading to. We are to exhort and edify the brethren, that is what we all want to do daily for each other.
Anyone can testify to things in their life; when that testimony start taking on religious meaning then exactly at that point we need Scripture that witnesses to it. Remember that Scripture establishes itself by two or three witnesses.:
Deu 17:6
At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.
Deu 19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.
1Co 14:27
If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Any light that is shining must also pass this same test. Beloved is not saying that these things are not happening with you; but it must be backed by witnesses (chapter and verse) to be reliable. Else when we talk to the blind or near blind and near deaf; what is the reference point outside of us for them to check; (it must be The Scriptures).
Mat 5:16
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
That light is the same Grace and Faith Of GOD, which is in His Word (Scriptures).
The below Scriptures are where we need to be surpassing; but first let's get the basics right.
Heb 5: 9-14
9 And being perfected, He became the Author of eternal salvation to all those who obey Him,
10 being called by God a high priest after the order of Melchizedek;
11 of whom we have much to say, and hard to be explained since you are dull of hearing.
12 For indeed because of the time, you ought to be teachers, you have need that one teach you again what are the first principles of the oracles of God. And you have become in need of milk, and not of solid food.
13 For everyone partaking of milk is unskillful in the Word of Righteousness, for he is an infant.
14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, even those who because of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
george. :)
Roy Martin:
Good Day to Everyone,
As you can see,I'm back.
I couldn't sleep at all last night because of the way I reacted to your replies.Please forgive me.
I grew up in a world of defense at all times, and from time to time this old way gets the best of me but not for long.
I am very passionate and sensitive about the testimonies that God has given me.Maybe that's carnal,I don't know.
Have you ever been in a room full of sinners, all on methamphetamine, all night long people coming and going, all very hurt and lonely people,not partying as some would think,but people full of pain trying to escape by dulling their pain with this drug? Its a very sad site.I know because Ive been there.
I came out of prison on fire for God just five years ago.I had no car,no clothes or money and no home except a sister that let me stay with her.She lived 15 miles from town.I wanted desperately to find a job and find some one to help me get a landscaping business started.I couldnt get to town most of the time, no one in the church would help me. A friend finally gave me an old car,I got a job but I just wasnt getting ahead.It wasnt long until I started hanging around with old friends and the drugs and there I was back in the world that I hated.
Its interesting how most of these people on meth. believe in God. I cant count the times that the bible and scriptures would come up and I would be asked about Gods word,(something in the bible) and they would ask how do you know thats true or something like that.These people all had respect for me and always would listen as I had to tell a story, and in these stories they would learn how the scriptures were true and how God works. Yes I was right there with them and how could I be an example,well thats an entirely different story.The point is they or some learned about God in my testimony and they know where I am today in Christ and so you see the different story has come to light to them as I see some of them in passing. I have no doubt that some if not all wants to have what God has given me.They remember the stories.
I want to be able to pull up scriptures as easily as some of you can, but for now I have Gods Work in me in testimonies that aren't just every day stories to those that are lost and full of pain and sorrow.
As a student of Christ, I have to use what I have for now.I will constantly grow in Gods word by seeking Him with all my heart,mind and soul..
Peace and Love to all
Roy Martin
How many times did Jesus use things of nature in his words and parables? Birds,trees,branches,fields, grass,fruit,mountains,flowers.One of His greatest prayers was in a garden.He could have said that prayer any where, but He chose the garden.
Did I teach any of these lost people anything? No I did not.Did they learn something about Gods word from my stories( testimonies)? Yes they did.You would be surprised how many of them have read the bible or have heard them from someone.Remember that these are not people just having a good time getting high.They are in pain and its heart breaking to say the least.My testimonies were something they could relate to and see with their eyes and hear with their ears.It was up to God to take it where ever it would go.I was not teaching but being Gods tool and what a blessing it was and is.
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