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wayofpeace:
GEORGE, my post originated due to reading posts by ELLEN and CHARLES, who were pondering how or when to approach family members who are still members of a church, thus i used rob bell's book title JESUS WANTS TO SAVE CHRISTIANS. and, OF COURSE, i know that HE wants to save ALL. it is within that context that i tought the title applicable.
to KAT, et al: a question:
is the coming out of BABYLON a once-and-for-all deal or is it a process.
by that i mean: when we first hear the command to get out of her and we obey after being a part for several years; is it just enough to quit the church--detaching ourselves physically--to shed all the falsity that we've assimilated over the years? or is it a gradual process as the HOLY SPIRIT leads us into all truth.
in my own experience--having been raised catholic from birth, and a true conversion as an adult and forsaking the church very early on; i feel it is still an on-going process, at least it is for me.
aqrinc:
Hector,
You wrote.
--- Quote ---there's NO doubt in my mind that there's error and heresy and half-truths within CHURCHDOM;
however, to claim that there is NO righteous CHRISTIANS within her is IMO to cross over into infallibility.
--- End quote ---
The infallibility is GOD'S Own Declaration Through His Word (Jesus Christ Our Lord and Saviour And King)
--- Quote ---in my own experience--having been raised catholic from birth, and a true conversion as an adult and forsaking the church very early on; i feel it is still an on-going process, at least it is for me.
--- End quote ---
Pro 3:5-7
5 Trust in Yahweh with all your heart, And do not lean to your own understanding."
6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He Himself shall straighten your paths."
7 Do not be wise in your own eyes; Fear Yahweh and withdraw from evil.
I had to listen to J Hagee while we were having breakfast this morning. Several times i had to refute
what he was saying while my mouth was full. It is very discomfitting to listen the half truths and
psuedo scripture the ministers in christendom use to fool the flock.
Bad enough if they themselves are decieved (blind leading blind). Much worse when thay deliberatly
twist The Scriptures to encompass their Hell, Tithe, and Everlasting doctrines. Committing a crime
out of ignorance is no excuse; doing same with The Scriptures; with intent to decieve and profit is
practicing Heresy.
Mal 1:14
But cursed be the deceiver, which hath in his flock a male, and voweth, and sacrificeth unto the Lord a
corrupt thing: for I am a great King, saith the LORD of hosts, and my name is dreadful among the heathen.
Mat 7:15-16
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Act 20:28-31
28 Therefore take heed to yourselves, and to all the flock in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers,
to feed the church of God which He has purchased with His own blood.
29 For I know this, that after my departure grievous wolves shall enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
30 Also men shall arise from your own selves, speaking perverse things in order to draw disciples away after them.
31 Therefore watch and remember that for the time of three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.
george. :)
Kat:
Hi Hector,
--- Quote ---when we first hear the command to get out of her and we obey after being a part for several years; is it just enough to quit the church--detaching ourselves physically--to shed all the falsity that we've assimilated over the years? or is it a gradual process as the HOLY SPIRIT leads us into all truth.
--- End quote ---
Well it would have to be both. I spent most of my life in church too (there was a few of my teenage years that I did not attend). As an young adult I felt that I had found the truth (first love of Christ) and was devoted to serving God, but felt it had to be done in the church. Thus I fell away and left my 'first love,' as devotion to the church began to replaced my love for Him :-\
When I finally 'heard the command to get out of her,' many years later, I did detach myself from the church physically and removed myself form the heretical teachings that are like poison. But it has been an ongoing process to "to shed all the falsity that we've assimilated over the years." I'm sure I will continue to be getting rid of false teachings for the rest of my days, as they do become deeply embedded into our way of thinking.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
aqrinc:
--- Quote from: Marky Mark on February 22, 2009, 02:52:07 PM ---
--- Quote ---I had to listen to J Hagee while we were having breakfast this morning.
--- End quote ---
George,I hope you did't choke on your breakfast. ;D yikes
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Thanks Mark,
As a matter of choking, yes but only slightly. I was too busy trying to shut up so i could finish eating.
Of course he (Hagee) had to bring up about weak faith (go straight to hell ??? ); i couldn't stop (Heresy)
and lying deciever, plus that thing about dead mens bones :o (Thoughts) from boiling to the tip of my lips.
Well the evidence i survived is, you are reading this post.
george :).
wayofpeace:
GEORGE wrote,
"The infallibility is GOD'S Own Declaration Through His Word (Jesus Christ Our Lord and Saviour And King)."
ABSOLUTELY! AMEN!
BUT are we infallible in our readings and interpretations?
always right?
again i can only go by my own learning-way:
i know a bit more today than yesterday,
and that's the way we IMO we are gradually MATURED into the MIND of CHRIST.
my understading is that having the mind of CHRIST is not automatic.
we received the SPIRIT so that we MIGHT understand.
so that since we are in still in-process,
we may get some things wrong while the WORD of GOD is ALWAYS TRUE!
which is why we are made into a BODY so that TOGETHER
we may complement, build and mature each others up.
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